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05.11.2006, 09:22 quote
I didnt start a debate did I, I said I had nor remorse for peopel who die from using drugs.
I am who I am and if it's not liked then I have np with that.
05.11.2006, 09:25 quote
| Ringer2 wrote: |
| I didnt start a debate did I, I said I had nor remorse for peopel who die from using drugs.
I am who I am and if it's not liked then I have np with that. |
and still you have no compassion for those left behind
05.11.2006, 10:14 quote
| Ringer2 wrote: |
| Those left behind yes, but not the user/abuser. |
05.11.2006, 10:28 quote
| Ringer2 wrote: | ||
I do drink beer yes, but I don't abuse it. Coke is bad, real bad, worse than beer, I have no sympathy for people that die from drug abuse, and I refer to hard drug abuse. |
Middle England clap-trap.
What do you define as drug abuse or even hard drug abuse? My family’s life has been blighted by alcohol abuse. It has been the cause of violence, a massive rift in the family and a number of 'broken' children. You can not say that is a good thing.
Just out of interest, have you ever broken the law? Speeding perhaps, illegal parking maybe? I'm sorry, but you can not say that just because something is illegal that it is wrong.
In some ways his death is like speeding on a road in bad conditions; most of the time it won't be a problem: but maybe you’re a little more tired, your tyre's are worn and you just wasn't paying enough attention. That's all it takes to get someone killed - life is a risk, he took one and there was bad consequences.
The sooner we can have a rational debate about 'drugs' the better the country will be.
ps. I'm sorry to hear about the man dying and feel for those that it affects around him.
05.11.2006, 10:31 quote
| whizzer wrote: | ||||
Middle England clap-trap. What do you define as drug abuse or even hard drug abuse? My family’s life has been blighted by alcohol abuse. It has been the cause of violence, a massive rift in the family and a number of 'broken' children. You can not say that is a good thing. Just out of interest, have you ever broken the law? Speeding perhaps, illegal parking maybe? I'm sorry, but you can not say that just because something is illegal that it is wrong. In some ways his death is like speeding on a road in bad conditions; most of the time it won't be a problem: but maybe you’re a little more tired, your tyre's are worn and you just wasn't paying enough attention. That's all it takes to get someone killed - life is a risk, he took one and there was bad consequences. The sooner we can have a rational debate about 'drugs' the better the country will be. ps. I'm sorry to hear about the man dying and feel for those that it affects around him. |
05.11.2006, 10:34 quote
| Aurora27uk wrote: | ||
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Smoking, it took me 3 attempts but I did it
05.11.2006, 10:37 quote
| whizzer wrote: | ||||
Middle England clap-trap. What do you define as drug abuse or even hard drug abuse? My family’s life has been blighted by alcohol abuse. It has been the cause of violence, a massive rift in the family and a number of 'broken' children. You can not say that is a good thing. Just out of interest, have you ever broken the law? Speeding perhaps, illegal parking maybe? I'm sorry, but you can not say that just because something is illegal that it is wrong. In some ways his death is like speeding on a road in bad conditions; most of the time it won't be a problem: but maybe you’re a little more tired, your tyre's are worn and you just wasn't paying enough attention. That's all it takes to get someone killed - life is a risk, he took one and there was bad consequences. The sooner we can have a rational debate about 'drugs' the better the country will be. ps. I'm sorry to hear about the man dying and feel for those that it affects around him. |
I'm not sorry for him dying, and I have done nothing illegal to the nest of my knowledge, no speeding or parking tickets, never pinched anything even as a child.
05.11.2006, 10:49 quote
| Ringer2 wrote: | ||||
Smoking, it took me 3 attempts but I did it |
05.11.2006, 10:53 quote
| Ringer2 wrote: | ||||||
I'm not sorry for him dying, and I have done nothing illegal to the nest of my knowledge, no speeding or parking tickets, never pinched anything even as a child. |
Then, sir, you have the moral high ground. Of course ignorance of doing something illegal does not mean that you haven't; but if you have nothing to hide then you won't mind us searching you
All I can say that you are a callous person. Just a little bit of my morality (obviously it is flawed like the law flouting person I am (yes I have exceeded the legal speed limit, but then who doesn't the motorway and why do some in the police advocate that it be raised to 80)); when someone dies there is nothing they can do to affect the living world, everything else is for the family and loved one of that family. Not being sorry for his death doesn't affect him (he's dead, Jim) but it shows a total lack of compassion for those that have been left behind.
I am sorry but you just come across as not having a heart
05.11.2006, 10:59 quote
Not heartless or callas, my father died in 1993 he was just 55 years old, didn't drink/smoke and never did, he lived a fairly healthy life as well.
He had a heart attack, no previous health problems either, now that is the sort of person I feel sorry for, and not just because it was my father, but he didn't do anything to harm is health as such.
He had is life taken away, a life he did try to look after, but it seems it was all in vain
OK he might have had chips and likes once in a blue moon, then again who doesn't.
05.11.2006, 11:05 quote
| Ringer2 wrote: |
| Not heartless or callas, my father died in 1993 he was just 55 years old, didn't drink/smoke and never did, he lived a fairly healthy life as well.
He had a heart attack, no previous health problems either, now that is the sort of person I feel sorry for, and not just because it was my father, but he didn't do anything to harm is health as such. He had is life taken away, a life he did try to look after, but it seems it was all in vain OK he might have had chips and likes once in a blue moon, then again who doesn't. |
Maybe I should just say selfish with no basic humanity to understand the feelings of others.
People have died in similar conditions playing squash, I am sorry but the death of your father for not any, apparently, preventable reason is sad. It appears to have affected you badly and for that I hope that you can find a way to move forward from that position.
Wx
05.11.2006, 11:13 quote
First off my condolences and apologies to those who deserve them.
As for the main topic of debate that appearrs to be unfolding here, we have to acknowledge that the 21st century is a more complex environment than ever before; and that extends to its debates on drugs and their usage.
Most ppl who do recreationals tend to be fairly decent and ethical ppl {for the most part}.
With this in mind, consider this for a moment.
Poor farmers are having their families kidnapped, threated with rape and murder, and being burnt out of their homes for not producing particular consumables.
Now if your conscience if comfotable with these facts then at least your a bit more informed than you may have been.
Governments have their part to play, many have been offered to 'buy the problem' such as the Americans in Afghanistan they refused and production went through the roof. Same within the Southern Americas.
What these High level failures of governments to engage, and opt for might and force is the equivalent of using a sledge hammer to kill a room full of black widow spiders - you might get some but you'll get bite sooner or later.
I neither condone nor condem usage, just feel that there's a lot of aspects to it.
05.11.2006, 11:22 quote
| Letmein wrote: |
| First off my condolences and apologies to those who deserve them.
As for the main topic of debate that appearrs to be unfolding here, we have to acknowledge that the 21st century is a more complex environment than ever before; and that extends to its debates on drugs and their usage. Most ppl who do recreationals tend to be fairly decent and ethical ppl {for the most part}. With this in mind, consider this for a moment. Poor farmers are having their families kidnapped, threated with rape and murder, and being burnt out of their homes for not producing particular consumables. Now if your conscience if comfotable with these facts then at least your a bit more informed than you may have been. Governments have their part to play, many have been offered to 'buy the problem' such as the Americans in Afghanistan they refused and production went through the roof. Same within the Southern Americas. What these High level failures of governments to engage, and opt for might and force is the equivalent of using a sledge hammer to kill a room full of black widow spiders - you might get some but you'll get bite sooner or later. I neither condone nor condem usage, just feel that there's a lot of aspects to it. |
Like I said earlier, we need an informed and adult debate in this country regarding 'drugs'.
Personally I think that the rate of change in society over time is becoming swifter. The generational gaps in morals are becoming larger, unfortunately (unlike the 60s) young people are going to be in a minority and their views are going to be lost.
Maybe I should stand as a liberal (though my sexuality might be held against me
*spot the thinking child of the eighties*
05.11.2006, 11:32 quote
| Jeggea wrote: |
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You're right addiction is an illness, but I read it that the chap wasn't addicted but an occasional user. He apparently died of heart attack which may have happened sooner or later. Possibly he had heart or blood pressure problems he never knew about. I'm not addicted to beer, but I suspect I've drunk more then is good for me over the year's. I should imagine over the years lots of occasional beer drinkers have died of heart attack because of drinking too much on a perticular day. Most of us abuse our bodies in one way or another, sometimes that could be too much exercise. |
yes mate i agree, i guess i was thinking in a wider sense about drugs and there long term effects, but i should have worded it better. but it still stands that in life people often make choices which are not good for them in the long run, and we have all made some choices in life that were either misinformed or not well thought out, so my point being that although it could be considered selfish for a man to take drugs or abuse any kind of substance, they are still human, and human nature is never and never will be anything like perfect, even though some like to try and make themselves appear so with there moral high ground.
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