Not heartless or callas, my father died in 1993 he was just 55 years old, didn't drink/smoke and never did, he lived a fairly healthy life as well.

He had a heart attack, no previous health problems either, now that is the sort of person I feel sorry for, and not just because it was my father, but he didn't do anything to harm is health as such.

He had is life taken away, a life he did try to look after, but it seems it was all in vain

OK he might have had chips and likes once in a blue moon, then again who doesn't.

First off my condolences and apologies to those who deserve them.

As for the main topic of debate that appearrs to be unfolding here, we have to acknowledge that the 21st century is a more complex environment than ever before; and that extends to its debates on drugs and their usage.


Most ppl who do recreationals tend to be fairly decent and ethical ppl {for the most part}.

With this in mind, consider this for a moment.

Poor farmers are having their families kidnapped, threated with rape and murder, and being burnt out of their homes for not producing particular consumables.

Now if your conscience if comfotable with these facts then at least your a bit more informed than you may have been.

Governments have their part to play, many have been offered to 'buy the problem' such as the Americans in Afghanistan they refused and production went through the roof. Same within the Southern Americas.

What these High level failures of governments to engage, and opt for might and force is the equivalent of using a sledge hammer to kill a room full of black widow spiders - you might get some but you'll get bite sooner or later.

I neither condone nor condem usage, just feel that there's a lot of aspects to it.

Drugs of all descriptions are always going to cause a difference of opionion like this for one reason only. Lack of credible information. That goes for both user and non users alike. I agree with whizzer that an informed and adult debate in this country regarding drugs is well overdue but fear that any such debate would be overshadowed by the personal and mostly ill-informed views held by the participants. Personally my views on drugs have changed over the years. I'll admit that in the past they held no fear for me and I wholeheartedly embraced the chemical generation and to be honest had a fantastic time. However, I would be be a little less than honest if I said that the amount of time I've spent on nights out with uncle charlie or the once regular weekend diet supplement of disco biscuits had no long term adverse effects. The trouble with the ANTI lobby is that most normal people know that scaremonger tactics are just that, it's like saying to a kid that if you drink beer before your 18 your head will fall off. Naturaly the kid will go and get a can of beer, drink it without their head rolling off and continue to drink from that point forward with a cynical view of any warning.
Surely a more sensible approach is whats needed.
The opening post of this thread speaks volumes. To me it says - Do as you do but there is a chance that anything that you choose to to put into your system can kill you. Sounds like good advise.
Far too many people think that if it's legal it OK and if it's illegal it's the work satan. Remember that South Africa once had a law that was socially acceptable that with hindsight was utterly wrong.

all i can say is what a waste ... i feel for the guy, and the people he has left behind - no-one knows how their life is going to pan out ...