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08.03.2007, 19:44 quote

Anonymous

Here's a present for you SC. A video about how much worse off we would be with out USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwAtNILh6uY

 

09.03.2007, 19:48 quote

Anonymous

This sums up the spirit of America. An extract from an open letter to Al Qaeda after the 9/11 attacks:

Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America. You hit the Pentagon, but you missed America. You used helpless American bodies, to take out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL missed America. Why? Because of something you guys will never understand.

America isn't about a building or two, not about financial centers, not about military centers. America isn't about a place, America isn't even about a bunch of bodies. America is about an IDEA. An idea that you can go someplace where you can earn as much as you can figure out how to, live for the most part, like you envisioned living, and pursue happiness. (No guarantees that you'll reach it, but you can sure try!)

Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist litany: "If you cannot see my point, then feel my pain" This concept is alien to Americans. We live in a country where we don't have to see your point. But you're free to have one. We don't have to listen to your speech. But you're free to say one.

 

04.04.2007, 22:24 quote

Anonymous

Why is the USA allowed to enrich uranium and Iran not? Is it fair?

I think nobody should be allowed to enrich uranium for weapons, neither Iran, nor the USA, nor any other country. I also think the USA should get rid of ALL nuclear weapons, as a role model.

 

01.06.2007, 08:57 quote

Anonymous

Greystone wrote:
Yes so do I too but if America got rid of all of its nuclear weapons first that would leave the world in dangerous situation where only countries like China and North Korea had nuclear weapons. There is however the nuclear non-proliferation treaty of which America and many other countries are signatries to which works for the elimination of all nuclear weapons eventually.

Why would the world be scared of only North Korea and China? Because they're terrorists and commies?
These countries have nukes too: Israel, Russia, India, UK, France, Pakistan.

Only America would be the target if they laid down arms first, and maybe not even them.
Only America has actually used nukes on another country, and twice.
Only America says it may use nukes in a pre-emptive strike. This while using conventional weapons as powerful as daisy cutters.

Stoney, in essence your view is that if not the US was acting world police and keeping other smaller countries down it "would leave the world in dangerous situation". Stop buying into the propaganda...

 

01.06.2007, 16:01 quote

Anonymous

god wrote:
Why is the USA allowed to enrich uranium and Iran not? Is it fair?


Easy. Iran is a signifigantly more unstable country than the US. Okay, people will argue war in Iraq and on terror to dispute that but the fact of the matter is we (as the West) trust the likes of the US, UK and France with them as we would only use them as an absolute last case senario. Iran would probably use them for genocide. That's the differance.

I agree that no one should have them in a perfect world but this isn't a perfect world. People worry about N. Korea and China having them but the truth is that Iran is far more of a risk that those two. China has trading interests to protect so launching a nuke against anyone offensivly is out of the question. North Korea, while not exactly stable isn't stupid. If they launched one they'd have half of the world on their asses before they knew what was happening. They know that. Israel has proven itself (to some degree) to be responsible enough with such devices as, lets face it, they've had plenty of oppertunities to use them and have decided against it.

However I don't see why Pakistan and India need them except to scare one another and perhaps the most worrying factor of all is that Russia don't know where half of theirs are.

 

07.06.2007, 12:04 quote

Anonymous

But US did nothing to impose restrictions on Israel, a country in a high risk zone. Of course Israel won't use these bombs on westerners.

Also US supply NATO bases around Europe with nukes. How does this rhyme with:
The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, also referred to as the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), obligates the five acknowledged nuclear-weapon states (the United States, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, France, and China) not to transfer nuclear weapons, other nuclear explosive devices, or their technology to any non-nuclear-weapon state.

 

09.06.2007, 07:44 quote

Anonymous

has no one here ever heard of mad(mutual assured destruction)it's basically means in the event of all out nuke war both enemys would be fucked.whether or not this policy still stands is open to debate.

 

10.06.2007, 15:33 quote

Anonymous

PersianKnight wrote:
NIGHTWAVE wrote:
has no one here ever heard of mad(mutual assured destruction)it's basically means in the event of all out nuke war both enemys would be fucked.whether or not this policy still stands is open to debate.


Yes, I just posted that above. Did you not see it?

Very Happy

nah i was half asleep and had 1 eye shut Razz

 

16.06.2007, 13:06 quote

Anonymous

Greystone wrote:
The Israeli withdrawel of all its troops from Lebanon. The dismanteling of all Israeli settlements in Gaza and most in the West Bank a couple of years ago after pressure from the US government.


I read a while back that unilateral withdrawal from occupied territories has far more to do with preserving Israel than it does a genuine attempt to make peace. The motive has to do with the % of the population that are made up of Palestinians as opposed to Israelis. By getting rid of those territories and encouraging Palestinians to live there, they hope to maintain a majority within what is left of Israel. I think it may only be prolonging the inevitable, though. We shall see in due course.

So, from my understanding, what goes on there is just a continuation of a war that has never really finished. That most of the population probably isn't overly concerned really doesn't matter.

 

17.06.2007, 13:03 quote

Anonymous

Quote:
Easy. Iran is a signifigantly more unstable country than the US.


Is it? lol

I think you are just making assumptions and wild guesses.

Quote:
Iran would probably use them for genocide.


What would you say if someone from Iran said:

Quote:
"The United Kingdom would probably use them for genocide."


Maybe you should go to Iran on holiday and learn something about the country, before talking lots of bollocks. Just because a country is different, you can not assert it was an evil country. There was a big difference between Iraq and Iran...just because the names sound almost the same, this does not mean Iran is run by a dictator. It is almost as funny as comparing Austria to Australia.

The USA is a lot more unstable then Iran. The USA has still been populated by Red Indians a little while ago...then the White Men came...killed them....made black people to their slaves.....started several wars....have had lots of presidents and different governments etc....in all within 200 years.

Iran has a democratically elected parliamant and a president...similiar to the USA...by the way.

All "unstable" events in the past in Iran were either caused by the USA, the United Kingdom and the USA or the United Kingdom and Russia.

BP refused to share the revenue from the oil with the government (and with the people from Iran) - then the USA and United Kingdom just boykotted the oil from Iran and caused lots of problems.....in general all problems were usually caused because of the greedy oil industry or countries that just wanted to rip-off Iran.

Iran has never made anything bad in the past - compared to the USA, Iran is an innocent country that has never done any harm to anyone.

 

31.01.2008, 15:24 quote

Anonymous

Greystone wrote:
The United States is a democracy....Who's been lying to you? Very Happy Iran is an autocratic theoracy practicing and extreme form of Islamic law.....And always has been, so why a problem now?

America is only acting in the best interests of the world by getting tough with Iran......You think? Who made Bush my mother?


Really????
Gee, thanks for clearing up that little misunderstanding for me........ Laughing Laughing Laughing

I'm with samenoname, either ALL countries should be allowed nuclear arms, OR NONE.

 

29.02.2008, 13:14 quote

Anonymous

Have you ever been to Iran? Or the usa, come to that? Or do you just glean your opinion out of the middle pages of The Sun? I am not saying I disagree with everything you say altogether greystone, but for goodness sake, if you want to come across with a balanced, well-informed point of view - you aint gonna do it by quoting/plagerising the tabloids.
Just to make some random points, Iran has a very well-oiled society - good schools, good hospitals.....In Iraq no Christian was ever demonised/attacked until AFTER Saddam was ousted....if you want to talk about human rights abuses take a good hard FACTUAL look at Guatanamo Bay, and any Death Row prison in the usa....I am not an Iranian or american living in those countries so I cant pretend to know more than I do, but I do know one thing: its useless trying to pretend you are an expert on other people's countries if you've never even been there greystone and don't have first hand experience/information - spouting quotes from the tabloids is not expert opinion, any which way you look at at it.

 
 
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