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16.01.2010, 03:33 quote

martintucker
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8462717.stm

what a complete bellend. actually good news to see him showing his true colours though - might wake a few folk up who think the BNP is a valid protest vote.

 

16.01.2010, 19:36 quote

tryst46

I completely agree with him and it's what I have been saying for a long time. It's about fucking time someone thought about looking after our own people. What happened in Haiti is terrible and a natural disaster that we can do nothing about. What kills people here is lack of sufficient funds to eat properly stay warm and we can do something to prevent that even happening.

What you seem to miss is that he was taking a pop at the current government in power who will freely send billions in aid to every other country, while it lets the people in its own country starve and freeze to death "because we don't have enough money to pay them to eat properly and stay warm".

It seems that every time there is a natural disaster, they always seem to find enough to send in aid. When it comes to a few pounds extra each week for OAP's here to remain warm over winter and eat a reasonable diet that will help them fight the cold, that piggy bank is always empty.

Try reading between the lines instead of taking everything literally.

 

16.01.2010, 19:45 quote

martintucker
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tryst46 wrote:
I completely agree with him and it's what I have been saying for a long time. It's about fucking time someone thought about looking after our own people. What happened in Haiti is terrible and a natural disaster that we can do nothing about. What kills people here is lack of sufficient funds to eat properly stay warm and we can do something to prevent that even happening.

What you seem to miss is that he was taking a pop at the current government in power who will freely send billions in aid to every other country, while it lets the people in its own country starve and freeze to death "because we don't have enough money to pay them to eat properly and stay warm".

It seems that every time there is a natural disaster, they always seem to find enough to send in aid. When it comes to a few pounds extra each week for OAP's here to remain warm over winter and eat a reasonable diet that will help them fight the cold, that piggy bank is always empty.

Try reading between the lines instead of taking everything literally.


we all know that aint his agenda though mate - now i aint saying everything he says is misguided because at times he talks sense when sticking to politics - problem is his ridiculous comments for example the non-violent KKK claim give him little credibility

 

16.01.2010, 20:10 quote

tryst46

Politicians are not known for making themselves clear. They learn to speak in riddles as part of the process of becoming a politician. What they say and what they actually mean are often two entirely different things and they talk in riddles to avoid making a binding statement.

I have no idea what he sad about the KKK since I don't keep up with current affairs much. However, I do know a bit about the KKK and I do know that there were non-violent groups who were dedicated to changing the face of their organisation. Unfortunately, it's the ones in the KKK who committed the atrocities who got the press. Much a case of tarring everyone with the same brush. It may surprise you that even Nazis had a 5th column who didn't agree with what their organisation was doing.

 

16.01.2010, 20:48 quote

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tryst46 wrote:
Politicians are not known for making themselves clear. They learn to speak in riddles as part of the process of becoming a politician. What they say and what they actually mean are often two entirely different things and they talk in riddles to avoid making a binding statement.

I have no idea what he sad about the KKK since I don't keep up with current affairs much. However, I do know a bit about the KKK and I do know that there were non-violent groups who were dedicated to changing the face of their organisation. Unfortunately, it's the ones in the KKK who committed the atrocities who got the press. Much a case of tarring everyone with the same brush. It may surprise you that even Nazis had a 5th column who didn't agree with what their organisation was doing.


i think if you were in that 5th column you would probably terminate your association once the violence started Laughing if you dont then naturally going to be tarnished with the same brush

 

16.01.2010, 23:38 quote

yaz101

If even some of the British people still believe that BNP is a valid political group rather than a bunch of racial ******** then my faith in them as intelligent thinkers is radically declining. For example a member of this so called political party by the name Terence Gavan was recently jailed for 11 years after the police reportedly found 54 explosives not to mention the many firearms in his flat!!! For your imformation the KKK adopted anti-Jewish, anti-Catholic, anti-Communist and anti-immigrant slants. They were certainly not a sect to follow and they were not JUST against immigrants they were against anything they considered wrong. The KKK have been murdering innicent people since 1865 and continue to do so i would suggest that they are not a precedent to follow. Our country says we fight terrorists that are against our people. The BRITISH people! what about the terrorists within our country that would kill British citizens because of their race, faith, culture, even their political beliefs. Before people give their outcry to such organizations as BNP, i will not dignify them by calling them a political group, they should perhaps look into what they truely represent...

 

17.01.2010, 18:20 quote

tryst46

yaz101 wrote:
what about the terrorists within our country that would kill British citizens because of their race, faith, culture, even their political beliefs.

You mean like our own government in power now who leaves BRITISH people to live on the street while anyone else who just happens to walk into the UK gets housed immediately?

Would you be referring to the current government who does yet another round of tax increases because of our failing NHS system and other things essential to our life, only to hand it all out (and then some) to Africa? I'm not including the aid to Haiti either, it was a pledge of 10 million prior to the Haiti incident.

Would you be including the political party now in power who allows anyone regardless of race, creed, colour or political associations to just walk in and take residence here, even though they are allied to known terrorist organisations?

Yes, I do believe that you have a point against the labour government there. Not that Conservative are much better, they did their bit to allow us to become the nanny state and dumping ground for the worlds unwanted as well. With an anti British track record like they have, any party would be better for us than labour or conservative, I don't care how radical they are TBH.

Also, as a final note. You'll get extremists in every radical organisation, those who take the radical ideals a bit too far. Even labour had them when they first started up, so don't use one extremist as a guide to the entire organisation.

 

17.01.2010, 18:31 quote

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tryst46 wrote:
With an anti British track record like they have, any party would be better for us than labour or conservative, I don't care how radical they are TBH.

Though I normally think that you make valid points, this is a complete bunch of crap. Vote BNP, let the,m throw out all non British nationals, and non white people. See how quickly the country collapses then. There'll be nobody here to do a lot of the jobs that we need, includings doctors nurses and dentists.

Whilst I completely agree that voting conservative or Labour is a bad thing, the BNP would be a much bigger disaster.
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17.01.2010, 20:08 quote

yaz101

tryst46 wrote:


Also, as a final note. You'll get extremists in every radical organisation, those who take the radical ideals a bit too far. Even labour had them when they first started up, so don't use one extremist as a guide to the entire organisation.


There are exremists within any radical organisation i agree. However, BNP has not had just ONE extreme action or person for me to use as a guide to the whole organisation. Take Griffin for example one of their so called leaders whom i might add denies that there was ever a holocaust committed by Hitler let me quote him here "I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria. Added to that BNP youth leader Mark Collett has actually stated his admiration for Adolf Hitler.

The party itself requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group. The party does not regard non-white people as being British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalised British citizens. Instead, Griffin has stated that "non-Europeans who stay", while protected by British law, "will be regarded as permanent guests"


The BNP is even opposed to mixed-race relationships on the stated ground that racial differences must be preserved; the party said that "when whites take partners from other ethnic groups, a white family line that stretches back into deep pre-history is destroyed.

Indeed I do agree that Labour and Conservative are not anything to vote for. They have made themselves so similar that they are hard to tell apart. Though i do have the sneaking feeling that conservative would very quickly change after a few months of being in power...the conservatives will not change that radically other than on the surface so god knows what their true agenda is.

But that being besides the point. BNP is no organization to have in power oh they have all the policies...well some...that seem very agreeable to some of the British people but they are an openly Nazi group whose leadership has particularly criminal convictions. What will they next believe that blacks should be put back into slavery!! because that is how far they go in their ideology.

 

18.01.2010, 10:17 quote

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We are a very rich country, with some of the richest people in the world..probably not paying a lot of tax comparatively speaking.

We should be able to afford to look after our own people plus help in disasters like Haiti.
Its probably a shame that other rich countries are not dong as much as us.

Its not really an issue, and the money we are giving probably wont be missed as is money thats already been allocated to this sort of thing.

 

24.02.2010, 11:41 quote

itae

yaz101 wrote:
tryst46 wrote:


Also, as a final note. You'll get extremists in every radical organisation, those who take the radical ideals a bit too far. Even labour had them when they first started up, so don't use one extremist as a guide to the entire organisation.


Added to that BNP youth leader Mark Collett has actually stated his admiration for Adolf Hitler.

The party itself requires that all members must be members of the "Indigenous Caucasian" racial group. The party does not regard non-white people as being British, even if they have been born in the UK and are naturalised British citizens.



First paragraph i've quoted..You would think that hitler is a monster, and that he was a psychopath and a terrible human being.. This is not true, had you actually researched hitler and his rise to german power. He didnt start out as a racist, and his goals are indeed admirable.

What hitler stood for, and tried to do, was make Germany a stronger country..and then he tried to make the world a stronger place. Getting rid of those that cant work, arent psychially able or just plain dont want to. If you were a businesswoman, you would cut people who couldnt do their job properly..Does that make you a bad person? No, that just means you care about your country more than you care about what people think of you. What sent hitler over the edge, however, were the mediums he kept seeing who told him that he would be the anti-christ and a prophet to lead Germany to greater things.

But if you cant respect a man who took Germany and conquered half of the world AFTER a war, where the country should respectively be in tatters then maybe thats on you for caring too much about whats racist and whats not? He was a great leader, great public speaker and im not saying i condone all the worthless killing he done, but to make a nation believe HIS points so effortlessly..Yeah, that takes alot.


- Second paragraph..Whats wrong with a pridominantly white group in ENGLAND? It's our country, if we want a white group then we should be allowed to have a white group. If you're not happy with it, then leave the country. Black people get a Black police department group for BLACK people that whites arent allowed to join, they have their BLACK music awards and BLACK awareness month..Why cant we have a white group? white people awards? white awareness month? Oh, because its racist..Well, unfortunately there's more racism towards white people nowadays because racism is about discrimination, and white people are the only people not allowed to be free-speakers in their own country. Everything we do is judged on if its a racist move or not..Unlike indians, blacks and the likes.

Just because you're born in the country doesnt make you of that nationality im afraid..'If a dog is born in a stable does it make it a horse?' Yeah, theyre citizens..but they aren't English.

Now whites have superiority complexes and other traits that arent nes. good..but thats what makes us. Black people, generally are kind hearted people and you would see more kindness shown by a black person then you would a random white person..Indian people however, they're rude individuals who wont talk to you unless you're of their culture and everyone of them seem to think we owe them something with major chips on their shoulders and yet the white people are branded the most racist? Stop being so naive and look outside the box. We're the only colour that arent allowed to keep our tradition.

More power to Griffin, to be honest. He's got my vote.

 

24.02.2010, 14:03 quote

danxox

Enlightenment, understanding and compassion for your fellow human being is what sets the human race apart from the animal kingdom.

There is no YOUR country or YOUR race, we all live on the same planet ergo we are all the same race. I don't hate the BNP or other nationalist groups, I just consider them far less evolved.

However the need to stop overcrowding and overburdening of a perticular continent is purely financial and logistic. Easily solved with adequate border controls, points sytems and financial sanctions to encourage the people and skills the area needs. Race just shouldnt come into it at all.

 

24.02.2010, 17:55 quote

handsel
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itae wrote:
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But if you cant respect a man who took Germany and conquered half of the world AFTER a war, where the country should respectively be in tatters then maybe thats on you for caring too much about whats racist and whats not? He was a great leader, great public speaker and im not saying i condone all the worthless killing he done, but to make a nation believe HIS points so effortlessly..Yeah, that takes alot.
...

You are not saying, either, that you don't condone it.
And you are not saying you condemn it.
The way you have phrased it says nothing really.

What do you mean by 'worthless killing'?

itae wrote:
... Just because you're born in the country doesnt make you of that nationality im afraid..'If a dog is born in a stable does it make it a horse?' Yeah, theyre citizens..but they aren't English. ...

Forgetting the riddle about the dog, the stable, and the horse - since, as far as I know, they can't be citizens or English, but I'm sure you'll solve it one day - what (according to you) makes people English?

itae wrote:
More power to Griffin, to be honest. He's got my vote.
He'll need it.
I don't think he or his party will do well in the General Election.
I think an essential part of being English is a sense of fair play. 'It's not cricket,' sums it up, but it's more than just an expression: it's a state of mind. And the policies of Griffin's party just will not appeal to that sense of fair play.
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24.02.2010, 19:02 quote

itae

handsel wrote:
itae wrote:
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But if you cant respect a man who took Germany and conquered half of the world AFTER a war, where the country should respectively be in tatters then maybe thats on you for caring too much about whats racist and whats not? He was a great leader, great public speaker and im not saying i condone all the worthless killing he done, but to make a nation believe HIS points so effortlessly..Yeah, that takes alot.
...

You are not saying, either, that you don't condone it.
And you are not saying you condemn it.
The way you have phrased it says nothing really.

What do you mean by 'worthless killing'?

-- I never spoke about how his killing was great, i spoke about how his leadership skills shined, if you would have read it properly you would have understood that. But again, we cant count on you to read it properly! i'll use a comparison for you..A man that takes a business that has just folded, and turns it into a business to be reckoned with and a recognised business, along with international history..One single man, would you not congratulate him on his leadership skills? To take a business thats in the ground and rise it up so it takes over half of the businesses out there?

itae wrote:
... Just because you're born in the country doesnt make you of that nationality im afraid..'If a dog is born in a stable does it make it a horse?' Yeah, theyre citizens..but they aren't English. ...

Forgetting the riddle about the dog, the stable, and the horse - since, as far as I know, they can't be citizens or English, but I'm sure you'll solve it one day - what (according to you) makes people English?

What makes a person English? White skin, born into the country by white parents of ENGLISH descent. That was a rather stupid question, what makes someone anything? Its something you cant explain. Thats like asking why the colour orange is orange.


itae wrote:
More power to Griffin, to be honest. He's got my vote.
He'll need it.
I don't think he or his party will do well in the General Election.
I think an essential part of being English is a sense of fair play. 'It's not cricket,' sums it up, but it's more than just an expression: it's a state of mind. And the policies of Griffin's party just will not appeal to that sense of fair play.


Yeah, you're so game on fair play arent you? explain whats fair about us being the minority in our own country? whats fair on everyone having something to their own culture that we're not allowed to join, but when its reversed its racist? whats fair about that?

God you annoy me with your points. I mean yeah, my right wing points probably annoy you too but atleast i can put myself outside of the box and not take everything literal. We're being forced into silence in our own country..so whats wrong with a group that wants to give us our country back? NOTHING.

 

24.02.2010, 19:05 quote

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lmao i was watchin this show the other day called "young, angry and white"

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/young-angry-and-white/4od#3032994

nuff jokes.. me i really dont give a shit what nick griffin thinks, does or says, marry it all, i go thru my days, head held up high, steez intact, bust jokes, swag in check, etc etc and i'll be damned if i get bothered by racist shit lol it aint even racism anymore, its just jealousy and ignorance, to be honest, i cant remember the last time racist slur was thrown at me other than the net and ive lived in a number of places from deep urban to proper country, still my steez dont change, i couldnt care less if someone doesnt like me lmfao ..as long as it doesnt get physical, and even if it does, i aint the bitch to put my tail inbetween my legs and run! we can walk it out!

but then again, i aint british, im just a martian and if we go by earthling terms with regards to skin colour then im african! geah!

now allow me finish my damn guinness

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