"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War


There is nothing new in a government lying to their people to start a war. Indeed because most people prefer living in peace to bloody and horrific death in war, any government that desires to initiate a war usually lies to their people to create the illusion that support for the war is the only possible choice they can make.


MORE........ http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/lieofthecentury.html

All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

I'm reading that book now actually!
Can't beat abit of Von Clausewitz tho.

"War as a continuation of politics by other means"
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"There comes a time when you look into the mirror and you realize that what you see is all that you'll ever be. Then you accept it... or you kill yourself. Or you stop looking into mirrors."
- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5

there was a recent story on the bbc website regarind the suez canal and how the UK and France had Israeal invade Egypt just so they could come in a peace keepers (and control the canal)....

A dead conspiracy...but lead credance to otheres...

We should never have given up on suez! Damn Americans!!
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"There comes a time when you look into the mirror and you realize that what you see is all that you'll ever be. Then you accept it... or you kill yourself. Or you stop looking into mirrors."
- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5

Yes! Damn all us Americans to hell!


*just grinz*


Hello from the states, btw.....
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Religion is man's way of guessing the mysteries of Nature.

Science is Nature's way of saying, "you guessed wrong."

It is riotously funny to listen to the left go on about how 1) the U.S. is a greater danger to the world than Islamic Fundamentalists that 2) terrorists willing to blow themselves up in the name of a cause must have a point worth considering and 3) that a poor islamo-facist whose only aim is to kill inocents is somehow morally superior to the Israili military who accidentally kills inocents in an effort to erradicate those firing missiles at them....Look, I know that hating George Bush is a free pass for illiterates and those with absolutely no idea of the Machiavelian reality of world politics into the great big media glorified group which includes animal rights campainers, most members of the fashion and entertainment world, and the psuedo intellectuals who buy into conspiracy theory and new agism..."Hey, I'm cool...i'm down with the poor Arab, I feel their pain, I feel like I'm getting closer to Princess Diana!!!!"...OK, truth--Israel just wants to exist whilst the Palestinians and their sympathisers want to detroy the State of Israel...help me out, how do the Palestinians sieze the moral high ground here...Why do the Isrealis regularly size buffer territory around them? Because the Palestinians use it to launch terrorists and missile attacks on them...That seems logical to me....The real truth is that anyone who's ever been bullied or can't get a leg up on the economic ladder relates to the weak, to the poor, and is repulsed by strength, self reliance, wealth, power etc...and the U.S. is a great embodiment of all that many people hate...Rich, powerful, yes--a little smug about it, and they support Israel, a nation which is also steeped in a tradition of hard work, capitalist values, education, and well--is, to the extent that you can ascribe any generalization to a large group of people-- pretty smug and confident about the type of well-educated and smoothly functioning society that their value system has created. Many of the week, scared, under-empowered, lazy, capitalist-hating elements in society just don't like America and it's allies. But because our self-interests are aligned with those of Western Europe you'll continue to benefit from our willingness to protect our way of life...and oh, yes, we will suffer much less death and destruction in the long run if we fight those who would destroy us rather than give into their threats...Even if there's a short term surge in the numbers of people willing to fight democracy, a willingness to fight terrorism with overwhelming force will ultimately lead to a safer world.

Jaimson.......if what is going on in the world were THAT black and white, I'd probably come closer to agreeing with you.


However, having lived here in the states all of my life, I know what is really going on with our government and what their intentions are. Behind that phoney "patriotic lets defend democracy" facade, lies a much more greed clad plan that has been in the making for years. Many of these things people call "conspiracy theories" are coming to fruition with more and more data surfacing to back them up. As far as Israel is concerned, they've projected their own share of terrorism. You'd be hardplaced to find a country that hasn't. It's easy to play the "blame game" and say it's the palestinians fault, however, when you look a bit further back into history, you'll see that Israel has their own accountability in the violence over there. And trying to make history fit biblical myth................I'll leave that to figure out on your own..........doesn't resolve anything.

We here in the states have our own share of terrorists. Many who are trained by institions ran by our government. I think it foolish for anyone to throw stones when their own country/government is made of glass.



But then........that's just my opinion.
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Religion is man's way of guessing the mysteries of Nature.

Science is Nature's way of saying, "you guessed wrong."

I have to agree with Alabaster. Although i don't pay too much attention to politics, i do believe there are a lot deeper issues/planning/control involved. And the main target is power related. The more powerfull you are, the more money you have. Sooo it all boils down to one thing - GREED.

I'm not ignorant, but couldn't care less.

Politicians have been using war for their own ends for hundreds of years. Democracy allows us to vote these people in, and for some reason, Tony and Bush are still in charge.

Says more about the people than the government, to me.

"Says more about the people than the government, to me."



Even more so about the voting machines that Diebold hacked.





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Religion is man's way of guessing the mysteries of Nature.

Science is Nature's way of saying, "you guessed wrong."

I was referring to the thread's opening topic as the disappointing lie (the war, yet again).

If so much evidence is proving the voting was rigged, why's nothing been done about it?

I suppose I should be bringing my part in this discussion to a close.

With my luck, some Homeland Security geek would see this and I'd have men in black suits banging on my door in no time, accusing me of treason.


That being said, the thought of sipping tea with Jimmy Hoffa doesn't appeal to me in the least bit.




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Religion is man's way of guessing the mysteries of Nature.

Science is Nature's way of saying, "you guessed wrong."