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Home >> World-issues >> Paying for Palestinian Guns rather than African Food.

17.02.2007, 18:57 quote

Anonymous

Over the past ten years the 23 nations of the European Union has dontated on average 500 million dolars a year to the Palestinians. The US has donated a further 400 million. Almost 70% of this money is unaccounted for (although the Mrs. Arafat (the widow of Yasser) reportedly has upwards of 40 million in her personal accounts.)

This money was intended to support the Palestinians during the peace process. Unfotunately, whilst the Palestinians have happily taken the money they have yet to make any concessions and continue to follow a policy, that at best could be described as ethnic clensing and at worse genocide.

So why do we continue to support them?

There are currently at least 10 countries suffering sever famine. 900 mllion dolars, let alone 900 million a year could feed the populations of every one of them and put each of them on a solid financial and economic footing so that they should never need our help again.

If you don't believe that, consider how much good was done with the 23 million raised by live aid.

 
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17.02.2007, 19:06 quote

Anonymous

If they gave them condoms they wouldnt have so many children to feed.

 
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17.02.2007, 20:43 quote

Anonymous

Arafat was very currupt as everyone knew. He had a fortune of billions while his people starved. Hopefully the new Palestinian leadership will be better and also more committed to peace with Israel.

 
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18.02.2007, 07:02 quote

Anonymous

stonecastle wrote:
Arafat was very currupt as everyone knew. He had a fortune of billions while his people starved. Hopefully the new Palestinian leadership will be better and also more committed to peace with Israel.


Whilst possibly less corrupt, all elements off the new Palestinian leaderships have already repeatedly rejected peace with Israel. Hamas, have said quite clearly 'it will never happen' and Fatah demand concessions from Israel that would destroy the Israeli state, calling them red-lines that they will never cross.

 
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20.02.2007, 11:00 quote

Anonymous

BrightHelm wrote:
Over the past ten years the 23 nations of the European Union has dontated on average 500 million dolars a year to the Palestinians. The US has donated a further 400 million. Almost 70% of this money is unaccounted for (although the Mrs. Arafat (the widow of Yasser) reportedly has upwards of 40 million in her personal accounts.)

Interesting, can you provide links/backup for any of these claims?

BrightHelm wrote:
There are currently at least 10 countries suffering sever famine. 900 mllion dolars, let alone 900 million a year could feed the populations of every one of them and put each of them on a solid financial and economic footing so that they should never need our help again.

If you don't believe that, consider how much good was done with the 23 million raised by live aid.

Dollars is spelled with two L's, just FYI.

On topic:
Temporary International Mechanism
The TIM was established in June 2006 by the European Commission at the request of the Quartet and the European Council to facilitate need-based assistance to the Palestinian people. Since then, different sectors of Palestinian society have benefited from EU granted allowances. Emphasis has been given to the sectors that enable the continued functioning of essential public social services.

http://ec.europa.eu/comm/external_relations/gaza/intro/index.htm#1.

#Patients of public and NGO hospitals and public health care centres
#Access to water, health care and sanitation for 1,3 million people in the Gaza Strip
#12,000 employees in public health facilities: average allowance of NIS 2,000 (Total €8,2 million)
#48,000 Low Income Cases among public sector workers and 6,400 pensioners: allowance of NIS 1,500 (Total €15,7 million)
#40,000 Social Hardship Cases: allowance of NIS 1,500 (Total €10,8 million)

 
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20.02.2007, 17:11 quote

Anonymous

Tabletop wrote:
Dollars is spelled with two L's, just FYI.


Congratulations a serious and important point.


Tabletop wrote:

On topic:
Temporary International Mechanism

#Patients of public and NGO hospitals and public health care centres
#Access to water, health care and sanitation for 1,3 million people in the Gaza Strip
#12,000 employees in public health facilities: average allowance of NIS 2,000 (Total €8,2 million)
#48,000 Low Income Cases among public sector workers and 6,400 pensioners: allowance of NIS 1,500 (Total €15,7 million)
#40,000 Social Hardship Cases: allowance of NIS 1,500 (Total €10,8 million)


True. And you, or they, can assure me that none of the money is being given to terrorists who are spending it on guns rather than food?

And even if you could, should we really be paying for Palestinians Kidney Dialese (feel free to tell me I spelt that wrong) to teach their children racial hatred, rather than feeding african children?

 
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20.02.2007, 17:24 quote

Anonymous

since you are so particular of what other write....its Dialysis UT

 
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20.02.2007, 17:47 quote

Anonymous

scottie69 wrote:
since you are so particular of what other write....its Dialysis UT


I'm not, that was a quote, but thanks anyway.

 
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20.02.2007, 18:26 quote

Anonymous

BrightHelm wrote:
True. And you, or they, can assure me that none of the money is being given to terrorists who are spending it on guns rather than food?
Yes, do you have reason to believe otherwise?

Btw, I am still waiting for your backup on these allegations:
Almost 70% of this money is unaccounted for (although the Mrs. Arafat (the widow of Yasser) reportedly has upwards of 40 million in her personal accounts.)
Here, I'll give you a hand
"In my estimation Suha has no control over either Palestinian finances or Yasser Arafat's finances," Dr Gershon Baskin, director of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3995769.stm

Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,782141,00.html

See what I did there?

I believe you are not so much pro-Africa as anti-Palestine. Am I right?

 
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20.02.2007, 18:44 quote

Anonymous

Tabletop wrote:
BrightHelm wrote:
True. And you, or they, can assure me that none of the money is being given to terrorists who are spending it on guns rather than food?
Yes, do you have reason to believe otherwise?

Btw, I am still waiting for your backup on these allegations:
Almost 70% of this money is unaccounted for (although the Mrs. Arafat (the widow of Yasser) reportedly has upwards of 40 million in her personal accounts.)
Here, I'll give you a hand
"In my estimation Suha has no control over either Palestinian finances or Yasser Arafat's finances," Dr Gershon Baskin, director of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3995769.stm

The last probe ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3479937.stm

Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,782141,00.html

See what I did there?

I believe you are not so much pro-Africa as anti-Palestine. Am I right?

 
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20.02.2007, 18:46 quote

Anonymous

Tabletop wrote:
BrightHelm wrote:
True. And you, or they, can assure me that none of the money is being given to terrorists who are spending it on guns rather than food?
Yes, do you have reason to believe otherwise?

Btw, I am still waiting for your backup on these allegations:
Almost 70% of this money is unaccounted for (although the Mrs. Arafat (the widow of Yasser) reportedly has upwards of 40 million in her personal accounts.)
Here, I'll give you a hand
"In my estimation Suha has no control over either Palestinian finances or Yasser Arafat's finances," Dr Gershon Baskin, director of the Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3995769.stm

Did you actually read the article you quote. This one says 10M a month was being transfered to Mrs. Arafat's accounts. So, the PA dosn't want to make a fuss about Mrs. Arafat's money on Mr. Arafat's deathbed... Surprise, surprise... to do so would be political suicide.

Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,782141,00.html

See what I did there?

I believe you are not so much pro-Africa as anti-Palestine. Am I right?

 
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20.02.2007, 18:49 quote

Anonymous

BrightHelm wrote:
scottie69 wrote:
since you are so particular of what others write....its Dialysis UT


I'm not, that was a quote, but thanks anyway.


BrightHelm wrote:
(feel free to tell me I spelt that wrong)

i have done Rolling Eyes

i actually meant you are so particular about what others write when you were rude to our Pol (see below)



BrightHelm wrote:
ChiefOHara wrote:
BrightHelm wrote:
pollyanna37 wrote:
BrightHelm wrote:
pollyanna37 wrote:


You see - you put it so much better than me! Very Happy


It is better to remain quiet and have everyone think you a fool than open your mouth and have them proved right.


How charming!

Welcome to forums - lets hope you are not staying long!

UT


Good response, short, to the point, and adding a interesting dimension that obviously others in the discussion had failed to consider.

As usual, with the anti-Israel crowd when logic, justice and intelligence fails them, they resort to abuse and stupidity.


Re read the thread, the first person to resort to abuse and stupidity was yourself.


Indeed. I have a problem with idiotic cheerleaders.


there really wasnt any need for personal insults

 
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20.02.2007, 18:49 quote

Anonymous

Tabletop wrote:

I believe you are not so much pro-Africa as anti-Palestine. Am I right?


Why do you believe the two are contradictory.

Africa is a worthy cause. Palestinian terrorism is not.

 
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20.02.2007, 18:53 quote

Anonymous

scottie69 wrote:


i actually meant you are so particular about what others write when you were rude to our Pol (see below)



Becaues she's an idiot. Who stifles discussion with meaningless quotes. As are you.

 
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20.02.2007, 18:59 quote

Anonymous

BrightHelm wrote:
scottie69 wrote:


i actually meant you are so particular about what others write when you were rude to our Pol (see below)



Becaues she's an idiot. Who stifles discussion with meaningless quotes. As are you.


f*ck off you twat, your quotes mean jack shit to me, you dont have the right to be rude to people for no proper reason whether you like what they post or not

 
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