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Home >> World-issues >> US sets possible Time table for Pullout of Iraq

09.03.2007, 09:34 quote

Anonymous

The ideal germ cell for terrorists A lot worse then before the war (and lots of innocent victims and destruction of ancient buildings). But that's what lots of politicians from "Old Europe" said before the war - which is why they were against it....as one of the reasons besides that starting a war is a crime in the first place.

 
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09.03.2007, 19:56 quote

Anonymous

chris343 wrote:
Sadly, Iraq will go to complete chaos, and it'll be at the expense of the innocent people.
No it wont, what do you think American and British troops have been doing in Iraq over the past four years??? They have been training up tens of thousands of new Iraqi police and security forces who will be ready to take over the responsibility of security in Iraq. Plus there are tens of thousands of foreign private security personnel in Iraq too. Also if one of the main aims of the insurgents is to force allied forces to leave Iraq then when allied forces pull out they will have less to fight about.

 
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10.03.2007, 19:29 quote

Anonymous

chris343 wrote:
How many of those troops mdo you belive are loyal?? Once we leave they will turn their back on the cause. I can almost bet the governemnt we have installed their will not last 3 months without us.
That is rubbish. Already most parts of Iraq are being patroled by Iraqi security forces. Most of Iraq is also peaceful with 90 per cent of terrorist attacks taking places in an area within 30 miles of Bagdad.

 
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12.03.2007, 22:37 quote

Anonymous

By the way if you want to read something positive about Iraq go to http://www.protestwarrior.com Conditions in Iraq are improving gradually for example there has been massive rebuilding in Iraq with new hospitals, new schools and new homes built, new businesses started and new jobs created. And despite all the news of bombings most of Iraqs' provinces are peaceful, with the majority of violence concentrated around Bagdad.

 
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16.03.2007, 21:12 quote

Anonymous

ChiefOHara wrote:
Is that because all the old hospitals, old schools, old homes, old businesses and old jobs were bombed in the invasion?
The invasion itself was very brief, over in three weeks it is the insurgency war which is lasting for years.
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a 100,000 civilians dead does lead to some job positions opening up.
Again the vast majority of Iraqi dead were not killed by allied forces but by the insurgents. It is the insurgents who have brought chaos, death and destruction to Iraq. The allies are trying to rebuild the country.

 
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16.03.2007, 22:32 quote

Anonymous

Rolling Eyes

 
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18.03.2007, 20:02 quote

Anonymous

ChiefOHara wrote:
The figure of 100,000 i took from the three week invasion.
That figure is rubbish as there was hardly any fighting. The Iraqi armed forces were queing up to surrender. Only a few of their soldiers put up a fight. It was a largely bloodless war. A couple of thousand were killed and injured by the bombing of Bagdad but that was all. The allied forces swept through Iraq largely unopposed hence they were able to declare victory within three weeks by April 12th 2003. It was only from about July 2003 onwards that a massive insurgency started across Iraq which has resulted in massive deaths.

 
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19.03.2007, 18:30 quote

Anonymous

ChiefOHara wrote:
There is also no such thing as a bloodless war.
Well there was far less death and destruction in the three weeks of the invasion of Iraq in 2003 than in almost any other war in history. All would have been well if extremists inside Iraq had not taken the opportunity to first loot and ransack their own country and then to start a civil war with each other. I don't blame America, Britain or their allies for the violent aftermath. The blame for that lies squarely with the insurgents and sectarian fanatics themselves.

 
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16.05.2007, 10:31 quote

Anonymous

This doesn't help anyone at all. The Democrats policy of running out of Iraq with their tails between their legs will simply pludge Iraq into civil war and allow terrorists and Iran to move in. Pulling out does nothing but hand a victory to terrorism: cause thats how they will view it. That they stood up to the US and after 4 years defeated them. then they'll get even closer to home as they'll have much more time to focus on US/UK attacks. If anyone can see the positive out of pulling out now, when the Iraqi goverment is too weak to hope to have any control without international support, please tell me. And I don't want the "our troops are dying" crap. Their soldiers, they join up knowing there's a good chance they may be killed.

 
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29.06.2007, 10:37 quote

Anonymous

Greystone wrote:
That is not true. Over the past four and a half years America and Britain have been busy training up tens of thousands of new Iraqi security forces who will take over the role of fighting and defeating the terrorist insurgents. George Bush has also stated that he will not withdraw troops until the Iraqi security forces are ready to take over the security role of the country. I think the Democrats understand this too and will only withdraw troops when it is ready to do so.


The Iraqi forces are not ready to stand on their own. If you look at any major operation in Iraq the Iraqi's have almost no part. Why? Because they aren't prepered and half of them are corrupt, just look at the police. Trust me, I know soldiers who've been/are still out there, both American and British and they all tell me the same thing: Coalition forces are the only thing preventing Iraq falling into civil war. If nothing else, the fact Iraqi security forces are unable to hold any populated area of the country under control without the help of the UK/US should be evidence enough.

George Bush will not withdraw no, thats been obvious since day one and his veto in the senate just furthers that. However when you consider the democrats main platform, specifically Barack and Hillary's, is to pull out at once and you consider the fact those two are the front runners for the democrats presidency nod its pretty obvious they'll have to follow through on this if elected. Barack definatly will as he's been opposed to this war from the begining.

They'll be lucky if they have a stable Iraq in 10 years, let alone 2.

 
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19.08.2007, 00:54 quote

Anonymous

Greystone wrote:
By the way the stop the war coalition are calling and having been calling for the fpast four years for immediate allied troops withdrawel from both Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe someone should tell them just how bad an idea that is their website is here: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/


We might as well withdraw. Staying there does nothing but fuel the fire.

Will Iraq's citizens suffer if we withdraw? Yes.

But in reality, there suffering already. Bombs are going up daily and there not going to stop till we leave. It's not something we can get control of, in fact it was pure stupidity to declare war on terrorism, it's not a thing, it's not a person, it's an idea. Can't kill that, can't stop it.

Longer we stay there the worse it'll get, bombs blow up daily and kill our troops and there citizens. To make matters worse our soldiers quiet rightfully get nervous and have itchy trigger fingers (wouldn't you? Never knowing if the next guy to go by is armed, carrying a bomb.) and I'm sure there's a fair share of civilian casualty's because of us.

Don't know about you but if i saw these invaders that claim to be trying to help shooting my neighbor, friend whatever I'd be pretty pissed off. And that's exactly how these terrorists groups grow - recruiting pissed off young men that want to fight back.

So, in my opinion the one thing we can do is pull out. Iraq will go into a civil war no doubt, many will die and it'll eventually balance itself out down the line. In my book i don't see what other option there is right now we're just prolonging the inevitable.

 
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19.08.2007, 10:58 quote

Anonymous

this 10 minute clip from the film Zeitgeist might be of interest....although the final scenes might be a bit distressing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y

I dont consciously support this war.

 
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