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Home >> World-issues >> Time to get tough with Iran
12.02.2007, 17:32 quote
Iran has for years being supplying Islamic terrorist groups with weapons including Shia militias in Iraq smuggling many tons of weapons across the border into that country. It has also refused at every point to stop its nuclear programme and is now only months away from being able to produce an atomic bomb.
It is time the world community got tough and stood up to this bandit state and demanded it stop immediatly supplying terroists with weapons and halted its nuclear programme or face very serious consequences such as invasion by a massive UN or NATO force to achieve those aims of disarmament and ending the supply of weapons to terrorists,
12.02.2007, 17:50 quote
er...the british establishment have been supplying british terrorists with weapons etc for years in the north of ireland
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0122/mccordr.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6286325.stm
the british also supplied saddam husseins regime...do you think we should bomb british cities too??
get a grip, stonecastle...war is not the answer...
16.02.2007, 04:44 quote
stonecastle wrote: |
USA has for years being supplying various terrorist groups with weapons including Shia militias in Iraq smuggling many tons of weapons across the border into that country. It has also refused at every point to stop its nuclear programme and is the only country ever to use atomic bombs, and then two at the same time.
It is time the world community got tough and stood up to this bandit state and demanded it stop immediatly supplying terroists with weapons and halted its nuclear programme or face very serious consequences such as invasion by a massive UN or NATO force to achieve those aims of disarmament and ending the supply of weapons to terrorists, |
16.02.2007, 08:28 quote
I hate it when people become victim of propaganda and even spread it further amongst other people.
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Iran has for years being supplying Islamic terrorist groups with weapons including Shia militias in Iraq smuggling many tons of weapons across the border into that country.
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"Iran" is a county....so it sounds like there was an official law or government programme where terrorists can apply for a sponsorship for weapsons.
How ridiculous.
Have you ever been to Iran?
Maybe you should go there on a holiday trip and look at the country - I doubt you would have the same opinion after that....
Most people have the wrong impression of it.
You might as well say "It is time to get tough on the USA - they own nuclear weapons".
16.02.2007, 08:39 quote
stonecastle wrote: |
I agree, stop US aggression! |
What about stop aggression in general?
I dont think US aggression is worse then Iran aggression.
Apart from that I think pollution and global warming is far more serious then terrorism. Terrorism is only a potential and sporadic danger whereas pollution is a definite long-term danger that will kill us all.
And if you loook at Iraq, the USA have done more damage now through starting a pointless war, then those terrorists would ever have been able to achieve in their whole life.
16.02.2007, 09:04 quote
Aradon wrote: |
I think US agression is far more worrying, you only need to look at how many carriers they have, any nation that has one is considered a considerable military force, britain for example have like 2/3, US have 12/13 active all over the world. Their military power and capabilities is quite shocking and when you think who is in control of it i believe everyone has to be a little bit worried. |
16.02.2007, 16:05 quote
Aradon wrote: |
I think US agression is far more worrying. |
World War I when they sent troops to Europe to defeat Germany.
World War II when they not only sent troops to Europe but loaned Britain military hardware.
1988 Panama when America acted to arrest Panamanian president Noriega for being involved in drugs smuggling.
The 1991 Gulf War when America led a massive international coalition to liberate Kuwait.
1993, Somalia when American troops died in the Black Hawk Down incident trying to arrest a major warlord inorder to save that country from civil war.
1999, Kosovo when America together with other NATO countries intervened to stop ethnic cleanising of Kosovo Albanians by Serbia.
2001, when America and its allies overthrew the brutal regime of the Taliban and destroyed Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks.
2003, when America and its allies overthrew the most brutal regime of modern times that of Saddam Hussein responsible for hundreds of thousands of murders and ethnic persecution of the kurds which saw two million Kurds flee their homeland as refugees.
16.02.2007, 17:54 quote
Them dates from memory?
If so I might be able to advise you on your topic of discussion on dates.
17.02.2007, 00:15 quote
stonecastle wrote: | ||
World War I when they sent troops to Europe to defeat Germany. World War II when they not only sent troops to Europe but loaned Britain military hardware. 1988 Panama when America acted to arrest Panamanian president Noriega for being involved in drugs smuggling. The 1991 Gulf War when America led a massive international coalition to liberate Kuwait. 1993, Somalia when American troops died in the Black Hawk Down incident trying to arrest a major warlord inorder to save that country from civil war. 1999, Kosovo when America together with other NATO countries intervened to stop ethnic cleanising of Kosovo Albanians by Serbia. 2001, when America and its allies overthrew the brutal regime of the Taliban and destroyed Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks. 2003, when America and its allies overthrew the most brutal regime of modern times that of Saddam Hussein responsible for hundreds of thousands of murders and ethnic persecution of the kurds which saw two million Kurds flee their homeland as refugees. |
Ohhhhhh stonge-age you really must not believe everything Hollywood tells you!!!
17.02.2007, 00:18 quote
youre a bit premature implying that these conflicts are settled, america has a long way to go yet...if youre so gung ho about war, why dont you enlist in the armed forces?
stonecastle wrote: |
2001, when America and its allies overthrew the brutal regime of the Taliban and destroyed Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks. 2003, when America and its allies overthrew the most brutal regime of modern times that of Saddam Hussein responsible for hundreds of thousands of murders and ethnic persecution of the kurds which saw two million Kurds flee their homeland as refugees. |
17.02.2007, 21:41 quote
OK I will comment on Korea and Vietnam. In Korea America joined on the side of South Korea to protect that country from invasion by communist North Korea. Given the dreadful state of North Korea I think their decision was right. North Korea is a backward, impoverished dictatorship while South Korea is a prosperous democracy.
In Vietnam a similar thing happened. America intervened to defend a democracy, South Vietnam from invasion by a communist dictatorship. Sadly it lost. The result was horrific for the South Vietnamese who suffered terror, torture and imprisonment by the conquering North Vietnamese communists. Do you not remember the Vietnam boat people? One million refugees fled Vietnam after the victory by the communist Vietcong.
18.02.2007, 01:54 quote
There is no insight into how US treats prisoner of war. - Sorry they have been renamed enemy combatants and as such are not entitled to legal representation or a civil trial, subjects neither to the Geneva Conventions nor to the purview of the US civilian court system.
Guantanamo, located on Cuban territory, it is the legal equivalent of outer space, unlike military bases on US territories. These other locations were ruled out as prison sites because they fall under the jurisdiction of the often-liberal Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals.
In essence, they don't exist as human beings or legal, human entities.
Someones brother or father is whisked away across the globe, has a secret trial and a secret sentence. Diplock courts anyone? US was contemplating Camp X-ray death chambers, I don't know if they went though with it.
Since Human Rights organisations have been refused access to detainees we don't know how they are being treated. The only example of an American prisoner camp we have is Abu Ghraib and frankly, the Pentagon acknowledges that 25 men have died while in the hands of US forces. Now that reports has become public, the US Army has revealed investigations into some of its findings, including charges that Iraqi inmates were sodomized by soldiers.
18.02.2007, 19:39 quote
ChiefOHara wrote: |
Your right in everything except that south vietnam wasn't a democracy. The leader was an anti- soviet ally, nothing more. In that case the US backed the wrong horse. |
Oh and America does respect prisoners of wars' rights. It only imprisons people in places like Gautamau Bay who are terrorists and therefore unlawful combatants as the Geneva Convention only applies to regular soldiers not to self apointed militas and terrorists.
18.02.2007, 19:44 quote
Ok...now I know what you mean by "US aggression"...I though you were worrying about"people becoming aggressive against the USA"
19.02.2007, 00:54 quote
stonecastle wrote: |
Oh and America does respect prisoners of wars' rights. It only imprisons people in places like Gautamau Bay who are terrorists and therefore unlawful combatants as the Geneva Convention only applies to regular soldiers not to self apointed militas and terrorists. |
Interesting, who ARE terrorists.
Here are a couple of names of of prisoners released from Guantanamo, held for years and then released without charge. If they are not terrorists according to US or UK law, surely they can't be terrorists in your eyes, can they?
Mamdouh Habib
Martin Mubanga
Until they have been convicted in a court of justice they cannot be classified as terrorists (this is a judicial term), they can only be suspects.
Problem is, Stoney, that they won't see a trial.
This is very much like internment in Northern Ireland some twenty years ago, prisoners held in limbo indefinitely without trial .
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