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27.11.2008, 22:28 quote

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27.11.2008, 22:35 quote

zooops
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People just don't care, lives equal money... That's all that matters to them.

 

27.11.2008, 22:41 quote

rocketgirl

This sort of thing is not new.
I cant recall exactly what, but a few years ago some pharmaceutical company sold on to african countries some drug that was either tainted or they knew it didnt work or had been banned for being dangerous in the states.
Tragic, but no one will ever be taken to task over it. Too much money involved, and yep money is more important than lives in this sick world.

 

27.11.2008, 22:54 quote

bbones
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yea i kno too well about the cheap drugs dumped in africa but HIV??? how did a whole batch of drugs become tainted with HIV? the fuck??!@$$@$$£ damn its hard to figure out life!

 

27.11.2008, 23:01 quote

rocketgirl

Because Bayer are the worlds biggest AIDS medication sellers, and have the monopoly on who other countries buy their drugs from?
That's just a wild guess, not a fact.
Makes you think though.
Either that, or someone simply didnt give a shite and wanted that stock shifted.

 

27.11.2008, 23:11 quote

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I think they just don't give a crap as long as they are making money.

 

27.11.2008, 23:31 quote

u4ric
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bbones wrote:
yea i kno too well about the cheap drugs dumped in africa but HIV??? how did a whole batch of drugs become tainted with HIV? the fuck??!@$$@$$£ damn its hard to figure out life!


Some drugs you samples taken from humans. I guess it was the fault of pharmacists who were meant to have tested their patients first. Although reading about misdiagnosis is quite common these days so I guess it could quite easily happen.

BTW, i'm not defending the drug company, just explaining to bbones how the disease got into he drugs.

 

27.11.2008, 23:31 quote

bbones
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im just gonna find me that special person and elope to an island somewhere were we'll be the sole inhabitants and of course, i'll have my own secluded area on this island where i can enjoy ultimate solitude once in a while, like once a month or something.. stress free is what i need to be, stress freeeee from life's trials, tribulations and any form of trepidation (hence the aforementioned solitary space)

 

27.11.2008, 23:40 quote

bbones
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u4ric wrote:
bbones wrote:
yea i kno too well about the cheap drugs dumped in africa but HIV??? how did a whole batch of drugs become tainted with HIV? the fuck??!@$$@$$£ damn its hard to figure out life!


Some drugs you samples taken from humans. I guess it was the fault of pharmacists who were meant to have tested their patients first. Although reading about misdiagnosis is quite common these days so I guess it could quite easily happen.

BTW, i'm not defending the drug company, just explaining to bbones how the disease got into he drugs.



eerrm.. yea.. lets not get into leftist conspiracy theories here, i've got these images of utopia in my mind, at least let me sleep with that lol

 

27.11.2008, 23:44 quote

rocketgirl

u4ric wrote:
bbones wrote:
yea i kno too well about the cheap drugs dumped in africa but HIV??? how did a whole batch of drugs become tainted with HIV? the fuck??!@$$@$$£ damn its hard to figure out life!


Some drugs you samples taken from humans. I guess it was the fault of pharmacists who were meant to have tested their patients first. Although reading about misdiagnosis is quite common these days so I guess it could quite easily happen.

BTW, i'm not defending the drug company, just explaining to bbones how the disease got into he drugs.


What you just said makes no sense to me.
Aspirin with Aids in it. Lots of them.
Please explain in words of one syllable how you think that happened? I must be having a thick moment.

Aside - I always thought haemophiliacs bleed too easily. Aspirin is given to people at risk of stroke, ie thins the blood and stops it clotting, so how and why would aspirin which thins the blood help someone whose blood does not clot properly??!!

 

28.11.2008, 00:17 quote

u4ric
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rocketgirl wrote:
What you just said makes no sense to me.
Aspirin with Aids in it. Lots of them.
Please explain in words of one syllable how you think that happened? I must be having a thick moment.

Aside - I always thought haemophiliacs bleed too easily. Aspirin is given to people at risk of stroke, ie thins the blood and stops it clotting, so how and why would aspirin which thins the blood help someone whose blood does not clot properly??!!


My knowledge in pharmacology only goes as far as psychoactive drugs. My statement "Some drugs use samples taken from humans" is still true but obviously it is unrelated to this case. Sorry about that.

 

28.11.2008, 00:32 quote

rocketgirl

Ah.
Hhhmmm, still dont understand how aspirin could end up with aids in it...unless i have misunderstood the storyline?
I suppose i naively thought that the workers in the medicine-making-factory wore gloves and little plastic hats and all that palava rather like you see on the telly with radioactive stuff...!
Trouble is, who knows if these places that make the medicine dont also keep samples of the illness close by, like when foot and mouth or was it anthrax was leaked from the pirbright laboratory that is trying to find a cure...seems daft to keep the bad thing and the good thing together, thats just asking for trouble surely?

 

28.11.2008, 05:44 quote

u4ric
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Actually turns out I was correct in the first place. I watched it again and it dosn't say that it was Aspirin but a medicine called Factor VIII made by the same company. I found this on the net:

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Factor VIII is one of the proteins made by the clotting system of the blood. It is missing in a genetic disease called haemophillia A. Sufferers of haemophillia A get uncontrolled and painful bruising and bleeding from minor injuries.

The treatment is Factor VIII. In the past, this was derived from blood donations. The Bayer pharmaceutical company was instrumental in the development and marketing of this treatment, as were three other companies. Prior to the mid 1980s, blood donations were not screened for infections such as HIV and hepatitis C, and these could be passed on through the use of blood products such as full blood transfusions and transfusions of components such as Factor VIII.

 

28.11.2008, 08:13 quote

rocketgirl

Ah, now that makes more sense!
Thanks u4ric, my pc speakers are tinny little things and the voices fuzzy, I thought I must have misunderstood something.
Now I can understand what they were actually talking about, I remember how donated blood was infected and alot of people suffered the consequences in the '80, but still it's awful if someone *knew* about this problem and said/did nowt.

 

28.11.2008, 11:17 quote

bbones
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misdiagnosis is quite common these days so I guess it could quite easily happen



man we ar talkin about the most debilitating disease causing virus here and with all the modern tech and whatnots, u would think much care is taken to handle the shit? it aint no sodding misdiagnosis bullshit! quite easily happen? lol man ok lets say the "misdiagnosis" did happen.. how the flippin heck did it actually reach a production line -> pharmacy -> human blood stream.. i believe this is a major drug company we are talknin about here and not some quacky confederate?! as a tax payer and potential end user, shouldnt u be worried about the rigorous tests that constitute the drug trade, rather than flimsily state that "it coud quite easily happen" ..lol common man

 
 
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