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17.01.2009, 00:08 quote

kadushu

Electricity is a necessity of modern life but how good/bad/dramatic would it be if it were suddenly switched off? I mean mains electricity mostly but it could be extended to all electronics, so mp3 players, mobiles, laptops and cars would stop working.

Obviously a lot of communication would be cut off, and we would have no electric lighting or heating but still have gas. Food would quickly run out and there would be no water because the pumps wouldn't work. The only transport would be by foot, bike or animal (or an ancient vehicle not using electricity). Maybe steam power could make a comeback...

I imagine that multinational corporations would crumble overnight, but small local shops offering the essentials may limp by for a while. Luxury items would suddenly be obsolete and looting would be rife. The whole world would become the third world.It would require a completely different way of thinking.

It's scary to think how we rely on just one energy source so heavily for nearly everything.

 

17.01.2009, 10:32 quote

politegorilla
politegorilla Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Posts: 444 Location: United Kingdom, England, Berkshire
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Suddenly loosing electricity permanently would cause complete turmoil.

Our current population densities would rapidly become unsustainable because it's the combination of electricity and petrol that moves all our goods and people. Without electricity we also loose the logistical support that computer systems provide, for example.

We would also loose modern manufacturing at a stroke as just-in-time inventory systems would mean that the necessary raw materials would be rapidly exhausted.

Essentially any transition would be very painful and we would soon remember why we, as a society, try so hard to avoid having angry crowds of hungry people.

 

17.01.2009, 15:38 quote

sc0ttie

All the more reason that if you own your own home, start planning on kitting it out with a renewable energy source such as solar, it will be a wise investment for when the fossil fuel crisis starts, which wont be that far away!

I suspect that in 10 years time you may be paying double what you are now for gas, if not more. Electricity less so because it is not only fossil fuel generated, but I don't think the future for fossil fuels is not bright.

 

21.01.2009, 17:02 quote

sasquirrel
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 37 Location: United Kingdom, England, London
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Scottie... but solar power is still electrons runnig through your house wiring.
Kadushu, there's no stopping to one's imagination when it comes to a topic like this. The entire civilization as we know it is elctricity dependent to the marrow. Even the tiniest and most unimportant aspects of our lives would change drastically. So there i stop my imagination, because in a world without electricity, we would still invent electricity.
i wonder if there's a substitute to this...
we invent i.e. computers that work like this (like we all know) because we start from the basic, - elctricity. We have a given factor, (electricity) and upon that we start squeezing our imagiantion and basically, - invent things.
And tell you what; how amazing appears Jules Vernes when you think of all this? A genius, a prophet or a time traveller?

 

21.01.2009, 17:16 quote

kadushu

Well with talk of solar flares, EM storms etc that could knock out all of our electronic, I would suggest that anyone who has contributed to advancing our dependancy may be labelled a demon in history. As for Mr Verne, you can decide.

As individuals we would appear to be wealthier, more secure, safer, etc than ever. However, as a civilisation we seem more vulnerable than ever, as we rely on a core of necessities that may collapse in their entirety at any moment. The economy being one also.

 

21.01.2009, 18:19 quote

sasquirrel
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 37 Location: United Kingdom, England, London
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Comeon Kadushu! being dependent on something doesn't mean we're on our way to extinction, or even that we might be in some sort of danger! Especially when it comes to something so extremely abundant, the existence of matter itself guarantees! (i'm talking about electrons!, everything you see is composed by them)
After all, aren't we all dependent on oxygen, or water, for example?
Solar flares... they're nothing uncommon... but, if we talk about the uncommon, some solar flares can be so giant (protuberances) they can literally strip the earth off its atmosphere in a matter of seconds... what'd be of life on earth then?
So, take life as it comes and do the best you can out of what we have now.
And, he (they, actually, for they were many) can't be called a demon... it is not evil the one who invented the knife, it's evil the man that uses it to kill his kin, and certainly, not the surgeon that keeps saving lives at the point of no-hope.

 

21.01.2009, 19:35 quote

politegorilla
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Babbage's "difference engine" is a basic computer that runs without electricity. Sections have been rebuilt by the Science Museum and with modern tolerances it certain does seem it is possible.

The question that would remain is could we design one, assemble the raw materials and make it with sufficient accuracy without electricity?

If we could then these devices could be used to cover some of the void computers would leave.

I doubt you could play Halo 3 though ...

 

21.01.2009, 22:24 quote

kadushu

For basic raw computing, we could use a mechanical computer for sure. However it would not address the issue of long range communication and output would probably be quite basic.

As for extinction and comparisons with the knife and oxygen, well - we dont depend on knives to the extent we do on electricity, and we didnt invent oxygen.

What I'm getting at is that we could do with a backup plan or two - a bit like scottie and politegorilla have suggested - alternatives to electronics.

Really the threat of chaos and the collapse of society is my marketing front - shock tactics if you will. I'm thinking smaller than that in reality. Just think we take an awful lot for granted and seem to be ruining our planet gradually through material excess.

 

21.01.2009, 23:43 quote

sc0ttie

sasquirrel wrote:
Scottie... but solar power is still electrons runnig through your house wiring.


That's right, i thought the original post was asking how would we cope without an electricity supply if it was cut off at the mains. I didn't think he meant if also the infrastructure supplying it suddenly disappeared as well.

kadushu wrote:

What I'm getting at is that we could do with a backup plan or two - a bit like scottie and politegorilla have suggested - alternatives to electronics.


I don't know much about harnessing power from plants but if you can run a clock from a potato, could you not build a computer that was hooked up to a tree? Laughing

Perhaps people would also harness energy generated from animals too. Why have battery hen farms where the hens are cramped together without exercise when you could put them on treadmills to generate electricity? Laughing not only would the chickens get exercise and taste better, the owner generates extra profit from the electricity they generate. although i am probably talking shit here as i totally have not thought it through...

I would expect people to definitely start harnessing the power of the sun, using it to power the splitting of hydrogen and oxygen from water to use the hydrogen as fuel, which can power a generator or some such device. There is also solar fuel cells, which can store energy absorbed from the sun for use when you need it, i.e at night.

It might put a stop to people wasting all that electricity when they cover their houses in 10,000 Christmas lights every year UT

If electricity was turned off by the national grid i think people would find their own personal solutions to that problem by generating their own power somehow and i am sure there would some great weird and wonderful ways of doing that which nobody has explored yet.

 

24.01.2009, 17:22 quote

politegorilla
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I think one of the big travesties of any "reversion" scenario, where we are forced to use lower technology solutions after an upheaval, is that we now know that the answer would be out there if we could just find it.

With electricity, computer, telephony and the internet we're able to look up historic uses of local resources (a good enough mortar, a way to waterproof something, etc) either by a web search, a phone call and/or a trip to a reference library.

Take electricity away, add some social chaos and the wealth of knowledge in books becomes harder to "mine" for the exact thing. Some ignorant sod might also have used the book you wanted to light a fire!

A lot of skills have been lost too. Imagine also if you had to set up a forge from scratch, for example, and have a stab at beating metal into shape.

Again the right book could get you halfway there, at least. If only you could find it ...

 

27.04.2009, 15:01 quote

jimzsta

i can vouch for all the horror stories about how life ends when your electric does! everytime my bloody key meter catches me out, its always in the moring when i wake up, put the kettle on and it doesnt work nasty!!!

 

04.06.2009, 17:45 quote

tzazo
tzazo Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 288 Location: United Kingdom, England, Dorset
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Why would electricity fail to function?

I suppose an ongoing solar flare of the correct polarity would render unhardend systems inoperative but shielded systems would still function depending on the level of the flare and the level of shielding on said systems.

As for what happens, well I guess we dig out of the liberaries pre-electrical technology and start producing it.

Speed of communications would be the chief problem, but heliographs can provide a limited and reletively high speed substitute.

Freezers and fridges are essentialy fluid and mechanical pumps, so electric pumps would be replaced by some other power source. Likely rendering home fridges less than efficient solutions, so only the rich would be able to afford to keep them running. For the rest its back to pre-fridge life and 'community freezers' I suspect.

 
 
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