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24.02.2010, 01:11 quote

martintucker
martintucker Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 1330 Location: United Kingdom, Scotland, Edinburgh
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So the debate is here again,

We sent a oil rig to drill for black gold which is due to start on Sunday.

Argentina says we are operating illegally because it requires a special permit to allow ships thru its waters.

Britain says we are operating within international law.

IMHO it does look like Argentina are being a bit naughty.

the rig aint going anywhere near argentina water, Last year, argentina submitted a claim to the UN for research into the extent of the continental shelf, stretching to the antarctic and including the falklands, aouth georgia and the sandwich sslands, all of them UK territories.


hmmmm discuss,

 

24.02.2010, 10:10 quote

handsel
handsel Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 2355 Location: United Kingdom, England, West Midlands
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I think it’s slightly different this time around.
1982 - there was a military junta in Argentina and a feeling among them that the UK might not want to defend the Falklands. They may have been given ‘a nod and a wink’ that this was the case, but they were wrong.
1982 - there was a Prime Minister in the UK with balls (Mrs Thatcher) and an election to win in 1983.
The military advisors in Argentina said, ‘We’ve talked and talked… Let’s go for it, guys! Get in there, take the islands – job done! Who’s going to send a task force all that way?’
The UK military advisors said, ‘Damn! Where the hell are these bloody islands!’
The UK political advisor said, ‘1. We can’t let them get away with it. 2. We can win. 3. It’ll ensure we win the General Election.’

Now – I don’t think there’s any chance of a military action. Argentina has an elected government and won’t want it.
In any case, the UK military now know where the islands are and – not so surprising – they are well-defended.
But a wider geo-political Argentine offensive seems to have been going on for some time. They have the claim Scott mentions before the UN, which is due to be discussed next week. They got unanimous backing from the South American and Caribbean countries at the recent summit in Mexico. I think this is significant.

It’s likely there will be a period of intense political activity and (as the British say) ‘sensible discussions’ in the background, interspersed with continued official and un-official harassment of the oil drilling. This may include business sanctions on the oil companies operating within Argentina; or lack of supplies, etc; or blockading, intercepting and delaying ships, etc. This may make it uneconomic for the oil companies and I’d expect an agreed short-term solution between them and the Argentina and UK governments – with Argentina continuing to pursue its long-term goal. (And eventually probably succeeding in getting the Falklands.)

BTW – generally unmentioned in the UK news was another outcome of the meeting, which may have serious, long-term repercussions in the area (including in relation to the Falklands). This is from the BBC website:
“Also at the two-day summit of the Rio Group and the Caribbean Community (Caricom) in Mexico, leaders agreed to set up a new regional body without the US and Canada.

The new bloc would be an alternative to the Organisation of American States (OAS), the main forum for regional affairs in the past 50 years. “
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24.02.2010, 15:04 quote

cmiso

Think Greece has more chance of getting the Elgin Marbles back.

From the map I saw on the beeb last week, it would have had to have gone through Argentinian waters to get there.

Given the huge financial problems in Argentina, even before Moneygeddon hit the rest of the world it's not surprising that they've become increasingly interested in the Falklands again. Wouldn't be amazed if they gave up an interest in them for a stake in any find.

 

24.02.2010, 16:53 quote

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26.02.2010, 11:57 quote

sc0ttie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253878/The-Falklands-betrayal-U-S-fails-British-oil-claims-row-American-torture-secrets.html

looks like the Daily Snail is shit stirring again. But if it is true that Obama wont support us then maybe we should withdraw all troops from their wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and let them get on with it?

It is the daily mail though so take it with a large cupful of salt Very Happy

 

06.04.2010, 16:49 quote

msteve164

The place is still a sh!thole I was there recently.

 

09.04.2010, 19:53 quote

trevp66
trevp66 Joined: 26 May 2006 Posts: 1121 Location: United Kingdom, England, Hertfordshire
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A lot has changed since the Falklands War, but Argentina still would like to claim it as their own territory, and that's not surprising seeing as it's real close to them (I guess we wouldn't be too happy if the Scilly Isles belonged to them and was sitting on huge oil reserve), but hey....finders keepers, losers weepers I'm afraid. If they were so concerned about the Falklands then maybe they would've done more to hold onto them in the 80s.
Currently it's really only being used as a tool to distract the Argentinian population from a deep economic problem and political upheaval.
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