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Home >> World-issues >> Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza
20.01.2007, 20:23 quote
In the year 2003 Israel evacuated the Jewish population of Gaza. The harassment, murder, and abuse of this population by their Muslim neighbours meant they could not live there without the protection of guards, fences and guns. Now, after almost 4,000 years of a continuous Jewish community in the area - interrupted only once during the Egyptian occupation of 1948-67 during which the Jewish population was massacred on mass - Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of all Jews.
16.02.2007, 16:09 quote
Yes that is very sad that the Israeli government has given in to Palestinian terrorism. I blame America for this one which is so keen on appeasing the arabs that it has pressured Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians at any cost. America want to create a Palestinian state in order to keep its oil rich arab friends happy. This is one policy where America is wrong.
Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state.
17.02.2007, 01:08 quote
| stonecastle wrote: |
| Yes that is very sad that the Israeli government has given in to Palestinian terrorism. I blame America for this one which is so keen on appeasing the arabs that it has pressured Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians at any cost. America want to create a Palestinian state in order to keep its oil rich arab friends happy. This is one policy where America is wrong.
Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state. |
Do you know I started typing a repsonse to this and then I decided I could not be arsed!
Go read up on the subject from an unbiased perspective!! Preferably not one of the red top papers eh!
17.02.2007, 02:07 quote
...using that logic, the americans have more than enough land to give to the zionists a country in the middle of the us....oh...but where would that leave the oil...
| stonecastle wrote: |
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Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state. |
17.02.2007, 03:17 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: | ||
Would you leave your home? As for American governments pressuring Israel into giving into Palestinian Terrorism ..... well .... to be honest stonecastle The united States has used its veto in the UN on behalf of Israel to Scupper 27 (I think that numbers correct) different resolutions designed to ease the suffering of the Palestinian people. The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region. |
You see - you put it so much better than me!
17.02.2007, 16:22 quote
| francey wrote: | ||
...using that logic, the americans have more than enough land to give to the zionists a country in the middle of the us....oh...but where would that leave the oil...
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So let's be clear. Your both proposing ethnic cleansing?
And Francey, I would be very interested to see if you can put a rational reasoning behind the implecations you've made about oil... After all Israel is the one country in the middle east that dosn't actually have any... Not to mention the fact Israel's continued existence is used as a justification for many of the groups intent on overthrowing the US's allies in the middle east.
17.02.2007, 16:37 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: | ||
Would you leave your home? As for American governments pressuring Israel into giving into Palestinian Terrorism ..... well .... to be honest stonecastle The united States has used its veto in the UN on behalf of Israel to Scupper 27 (I think that numbers correct) different resolutions designed to ease the suffering of the Palestinian people. The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region. |
Firstly there have been more than 65 resolutions passed by the UN against Israel. (http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html) The next highest country in the world is Iraq with 4. Less than 10,000 people have died in the 50 years of the Arab/Israeli conflict. 300,000 people died in Somalia last year and there has no UN Resolution condemning the rebels who commited these attrocities.
The US has indeed vetod numerous resolutions proposed by the 22 Arab members, 65 Muslim members or 170 members who, in some way are reliant on Arab oil or money, against the only Jewish state, were about as fair as the proportion of it's time the UN spends on this issues.
Secondly. The Israeli 'invasion' of Lebanon was the result of Hezbollah actions in violating International law, kidnapping Israeli soldiers, which I might add were suppose to be returned as part of the peace agreement and have not been, and launching more than 8,000 attacks against Israeli civilians.
17.02.2007, 16:39 quote
| pollyanna37 wrote: |
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You see - you put it so much better than me! |
It is better to remain quiet and have everyone think you a fool than open your mouth and have them proved right.
17.02.2007, 21:34 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: |
| The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region. |
By the way Jews have lived in the Middle east continously for 4,000 years. They once had their own state called Israel which lasted for centuries. Most of the inhabitants of modern Israel are descendents of Jews who had always lived in the Middle East region. They have as much right to their own state as the arabs have to their own states. Have a look at the website below for the truth.
http://www.betar.co.uk
18.02.2007, 01:44 quote
| BrightHelm wrote: | ||
It is better to remain quiet and have everyone think you a fool than open your mouth and have them proved right. |
How charming!
Welcome to forums - lets hope you are not staying long!
18.02.2007, 02:02 quote
| BrightHelm wrote: |
| Now, after almost 4,000 years of a continuous Jewish community in the area - interrupted only once during the Egyptian occupation of 1948-67 during which the Jewish population was massacred on mass - Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of all Jews. |
Actually, I think you'll find that Jews have been expelled seven times in the past two millennia. The Roman emperor Gavinius threw out Gaza's Jews in the year 61 CE. Since, they were exiled by the Crusaders, Napoleon, the Ottoman Turks, Arab rioters in 1929, the Egyptian army in 1948 and now by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
18.02.2007, 08:06 quote
| pollyanna37 wrote: | ||||
How charming! Welcome to forums - lets hope you are not staying long! |
Good response, short, to the point, and adding a interesting dimension that obviously others in the discussion had failed to consider.
As usual, with the anti-Israel crowd when logic, justice and intelligence fails them, they resort to abuse and stupidity.
18.02.2007, 10:49 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: |
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Point taken on the resolutions, The UN obviously isn't perfect, but they didn't issue Israel with those resolutions for the fun of it. The conduct of Israel as a nation state leaves a lot to be desired. |
Your absolutely correct in saying that the UN isn't perfect. It's about as far from perfect as you can get. It is pure politics.
Your also correct when you say that the UN didn't pass these resolutions for fun. The also didn't pass these resolutions out of any sense of Justice or desire to see a peaceful resolution to the Arab/Israeli conflict. These resolutions are all about the art of Politics condemning your enemy, destracting your friends and enemies from your own failings. And supporting their cause which is erasing the shame of Israeli victories, the destruction of the state of Israel, and, supporting the growth of Islam.
Finally you are correct when you say Israel is not perfect. But that statement is also extremely unfair. Israel isn't perfect, butit is that that you choose to comment on. The Palestinians are a lot less perfect than the Israelis, they commit daily acts of terrorism, they sacrifice both Israeli and Palestinian civilians in order to support their cause of Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide.
As with most anti-Israeli supporters, you are prepared to judge only Israel but not prepared to apply the same morals to Israel's arab oponents.
| ChiefOHara wrote: |
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Before you comment on their right to defend themselves, remember the fact that there was a ceasefire in arafats time they decided to target hamas leaders regardless and maintain the pretence of a ceasefire. |
There are three key facts about the ceasefire in Arafats time that you seem to be either ignorant of or deliberately ignoring. Firstly during the ten years that this ceasefire held the PA actively protected the ceasefire, arrested and detained Palestinians who breached it. - In line with the agreements it made with Israel.
Secondly, less than two months after the start of the second Intifada, declared by Arafat, everyone arrested for attacking Israel was released.
And Thirdly, and most importantly since that time there have been more than 30,000 attacks against Israelis, and virtually none stopped by the Palestinian authority, despite the current cease-fire.
Your also incorrect about one essential. Israel did not commit a single targeted assaination, whilst the ceasefire held and it was at least six months after it's collapse that they resumed the policy.
Again, you judge Israel but are not prepared to examine the role of the Palesitnians.
| ChiefOHara wrote: |
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Also any nation that deliberatly targets a UN observation post (They took 17 pot shots at it, despite being told numerous times to stop ) as they did in the invasion of lebannon is up to no good. |
Again, that's not true, or at least only partially true. At no time did Israel attack any UN observation post. They did attack, in accordance with international law, a Hezbollah unit stationed (in violation of International law) on top of the post.
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The Israeli invasion of Lebannon was about as dubious as Iraq's links to Al Qaieda. Dropping all pretences of being PC, since when have they given a damn about one soldier? They were itching to start a fight, and the speed at which they mobilised and orchestrated a campaign suggested prior planning. The fact that the US wouldn't get off its arse in calling for a halt to the invasion suggests to me that they were on a land grab. |
Actually Israel has always shown a great deal of concern about it's soldiers I refer you to the case of Ron Arad, missing for twenty years now (http://www.mia.org.il/archive/911231reu.html)
Secondly your description of the Israeli invasion as a 'land grab' is grossly inaccurate. The border between Israel and Lebanon is well defined and if anything Israel has ended the war in control of less land than previously having volunterily given up control of a village the last cease-fire left in it's hands.
Thirldy you accuse Israel of itching for a fight. Why then was Israel so ill prepared for the conflict, it took more than two weeks to call up the reserves, more than three to actually launch a ground offensive.
And finally you again ignore the fundamentals that the attack that initiated this war was commited by Hezbollah, a Lebonese group. It is they who deliberately provoked this conflict.
Again, judging Israel, whilst ignoring Arab atrocities.
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One other thing, and this is a genuine question. I was told that the Israeli flag represents the star of david and two rivers. One of which being the nile in Egypt and the other a river on the far side of Iraq. The flag symbolises how much land they are entitled too. Is this true? or have i been told a load of bollox? |
Sorry.That's a very interesting interpretation that I've never heard before. The Israeli flag represents the Jewish state (the star) as you say, but between the river Jordan and the Mediteranean. Historical and modern Israel.
18.02.2007, 10:51 quote
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Re read the thread, the first person to resort to abuse and stupidity was yourself. |
Indeed. I have a problem with idiotic cheerleaders.
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