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Home >> World-issues >> Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza
20.01.2007, 19:23 quote
In the year 2003 Israel evacuated the Jewish population of Gaza. The harassment, murder, and abuse of this population by their Muslim neighbours meant they could not live there without the protection of guards, fences and guns. Now, after almost 4,000 years of a continuous Jewish community in the area - interrupted only once during the Egyptian occupation of 1948-67 during which the Jewish population was massacred on mass - Gaza has been ethnically cleansed of all Jews.
16.02.2007, 15:09 quote
Yes that is very sad that the Israeli government has given in to Palestinian terrorism. I blame America for this one which is so keen on appeasing the arabs that it has pressured Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians at any cost. America want to create a Palestinian state in order to keep its oil rich arab friends happy. This is one policy where America is wrong.
Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state.
17.02.2007, 00:08 quote
| stonecastle wrote: |
| Yes that is very sad that the Israeli government has given in to Palestinian terrorism. I blame America for this one which is so keen on appeasing the arabs that it has pressured Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians at any cost. America want to create a Palestinian state in order to keep its oil rich arab friends happy. This is one policy where America is wrong.
Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state. |
Do you know I started typing a repsonse to this and then I decided I could not be arsed!
Go read up on the subject from an unbiased perspective!! Preferably not one of the red top papers eh!
17.02.2007, 01:07 quote
...using that logic, the americans have more than enough land to give to the zionists a country in the middle of the us....oh...but where would that leave the oil...
| stonecastle wrote: |
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Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state. |
17.02.2007, 02:08 quote
| stonecastle wrote: |
| Yes that is very sad that the Israeli government has given in to Palestinian terrorism. I blame America for this one which is so keen on appeasing the arabs that it has pressured Israel to make a deal with the Palestinians at any cost. America want to create a Palestinian state in order to keep its oil rich arab friends happy. This is one policy where America is wrong.
Yes a Palestinian state should be created but the Arab countries have more than enough land to give to the Palestinians. With all their land they could easily give their Palestinian brothers their own state. |
Would you leave your home?
As for American governments pressuring Israel into giving into Palestinian Terrorism ..... well .... to be honest stonecastle The united States has used its veto in the UN on behalf of Israel to Scupper 27 (I think that numbers correct) different resolutions designed to ease the suffering of the Palestinian people.
The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region.
17.02.2007, 02:17 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: | ||
Would you leave your home? As for American governments pressuring Israel into giving into Palestinian Terrorism ..... well .... to be honest stonecastle The united States has used its veto in the UN on behalf of Israel to Scupper 27 (I think that numbers correct) different resolutions designed to ease the suffering of the Palestinian people. The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region. |
You see - you put it so much better than me!
17.02.2007, 15:22 quote
| francey wrote: | ||
...using that logic, the americans have more than enough land to give to the zionists a country in the middle of the us....oh...but where would that leave the oil...
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So let's be clear. Your both proposing ethnic cleansing?
And Francey, I would be very interested to see if you can put a rational reasoning behind the implecations you've made about oil... After all Israel is the one country in the middle east that dosn't actually have any... Not to mention the fact Israel's continued existence is used as a justification for many of the groups intent on overthrowing the US's allies in the middle east.
17.02.2007, 15:37 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: | ||
Would you leave your home? As for American governments pressuring Israel into giving into Palestinian Terrorism ..... well .... to be honest stonecastle The united States has used its veto in the UN on behalf of Israel to Scupper 27 (I think that numbers correct) different resolutions designed to ease the suffering of the Palestinian people. The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region. |
Firstly there have been more than 65 resolutions passed by the UN against Israel. (http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html) The next highest country in the world is Iraq with 4. Less than 10,000 people have died in the 50 years of the Arab/Israeli conflict. 300,000 people died in Somalia last year and there has no UN Resolution condemning the rebels who commited these attrocities.
The US has indeed vetod numerous resolutions proposed by the 22 Arab members, 65 Muslim members or 170 members who, in some way are reliant on Arab oil or money, against the only Jewish state, were about as fair as the proportion of it's time the UN spends on this issues.
Secondly. The Israeli 'invasion' of Lebanon was the result of Hezbollah actions in violating International law, kidnapping Israeli soldiers, which I might add were suppose to be returned as part of the peace agreement and have not been, and launching more than 8,000 attacks against Israeli civilians.
17.02.2007, 15:39 quote
| pollyanna37 wrote: |
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You see - you put it so much better than me! |
It is better to remain quiet and have everyone think you a fool than open your mouth and have them proved right.
17.02.2007, 20:34 quote
| ChiefOHara wrote: |
| The absolute refusal of the US to call a halt to the recent Israeli Invasion of Lebbanon was also a disgrace and is another good example i think of how the US if anything is allowing the State of Israel to do what it damn well likes in the region. |
By the way Jews have lived in the Middle east continously for 4,000 years. They once had their own state called Israel which lasted for centuries. Most of the inhabitants of modern Israel are descendents of Jews who had always lived in the Middle East region. They have as much right to their own state as the arabs have to their own states. Have a look at the website below for the truth.
http://www.betar.co.uk
18.02.2007, 00:29 quote
| BrightHelm wrote: | ||||
Firstly there have been more than 65 resolutions passed by the UN against Israel. (http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html) The next highest country in the world is Iraq with 4. Less than 10,000 people have died in the 50 years of the Arab/Israeli conflict. 300,000 people died in Somalia last year and there has no UN Resolution condemning the rebels who commited these attrocities. The US has indeed vetod numerous resolutions proposed by the 22 Arab members, 65 Muslim members or 170 members who, in some way are reliant on Arab oil or money, against the only Jewish state, were about as fair as the proportion of it's time the UN spends on this issues. Secondly. The Israeli 'invasion' of Lebanon was the result of Hezbollah actions in violating International law, kidnapping Israeli soldiers, which I might add were suppose to be returned as part of the peace agreement and have not been, and launching more than 8,000 attacks against Israeli civilians. |
Point taken on the resolutions, The UN obviously isn't perfect, but they didn't issue Israel with those resolutions for the fun of it. The conduct of Israel as a nation state leaves a lot to be desired.
Before you comment on their right to defend themselves, remember the fact that there was a ceasefire in arafats time they decided to target hamas leaders regardless and maintain the pretence of a ceasefire. Also any nation that deliberatly targets a UN observation post (They took 17 pot shots at it, despite being told numerous times to stop ) as they did in the invasion of lebannon is up to no good.
The Israeli invasion of Lebannon was about as dubious as Iraq's links to Al Qaieda. Dropping all pretences of being PC, since when have they given a damn about one soldier? They were itching to start a fight, and the speed at which they mobilised and orchestrated a campaign suggested prior planning. The fact that the US wouldn't get off its arse in calling for a halt to the invasion suggests to me that they were on a land grab.
One other thing, and this is a genuine question. I was told that the Israeli flag represents the star of david and two rivers. One of which being the nile in Egypt and the other a river on the far side of Iraq. The flag symbolises how much land they are entitled too. Is this true? or have i been told a load of bollox?
18.02.2007, 00:30 quote
| BrightHelm wrote: | ||
It is better to remain quiet and have everyone think you a fool than open your mouth and have them proved right. |
im a moderator on this forum, im telling you now. play nice.
18.02.2007, 00:35 quote
| stonecastle wrote: | ||
By the way Jews have lived in the Middle east continously for 4,000 years. They once had their own state called Israel which lasted for centuries. Most of the inhabitants of modern Israel are descendents of Jews who had always lived in the Middle East region. They have as much right to their own state as the arabs have to their own states. Have a look at the website below for the truth. http://www.betar.co.uk |
Like i said on the other post to brighthelm, i think Israel had another agenda. If anything Israels balls up in Lebannon only strengthend Hezbollah and weakend the neutral lebanesse government. They only had one or two ministers in the government from hezbollah prior to the invasion. Im pretty certain that sympathies for hezbollah in lebbanon have been strenghtend because of it.
To be honest i don't want to get into the right of Israeli's to their land. I have read so many dubious accounts from both sides in terms of popultations and maps, that its impossible to have a solid argument on it without questionable ideology creeping in. As far as im concerned Israel is there and its staying there, all i want is for them to conduct themselves better.
18.02.2007, 00:44 quote
| BrightHelm wrote: | ||
It is better to remain quiet and have everyone think you a fool than open your mouth and have them proved right. |
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