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01.01.2007, 22:10 quote

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Bettyboobs86 wrote:
Hmmm - this was a topic for a few conversations with my family.

I think hanging was too easy for him - he wanted to 'die like a soldier' and be shot.

I must be honest I don't agree with the death penalty. But no matter what was done to him, he wouldn't feel any remorse, He is a cold blooded murderer and nothing more.

i agree with u Betty, there is nothing they could have done to him that would have matched what he did over the span of his reign.

 

01.01.2007, 22:18 quote

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in my opinion the death penalty is never right, taking someone elses life is never right, whoever it is and whatever they have done. there are forms of punishment which dont involve killing but his real punishment was that he died with a fucked up conscience and will never be at peace... the only problem now is that the executor will die under the same circumstances (not being hung, being guilty).

 

01.01.2007, 22:20 quote

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My father went to Iraq in 2003. A leader sets an example to his nation and Iraq now knows no better than what he taught them.

The one thing which he told us which I'll always remember is this

He was riding in the back of the landrover when two children walked out of a building and pulled a gun on him. They know no different.
He was lucky.

The nation live in such poverty while he lived in luxury. They were terrified but he had many supporters otherwise he wouldn't have lasted so long. He's on the same level as Hitler imo.
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01.01.2007, 22:25 quote

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SOATom wrote:
in my opinion the death penalty is never right, taking someone elses life is never right, whoever it is and whatever they have done. there are forms of punishment which dont involve killing but his real punishment was that he died with a fucked up conscience and will never be at peace... the only problem now is that the executor will die under the same circumstances (not being hung, being guilty).


thats true - I couldn't do it.

But he didn't show any remorse maybe torture would have been more appropriate but then the torturer would be guilty too.

And keeping him locked up - he'd get protection till he died. Never feeling the same feelings his victims felt as he murdered them.
In a way he was couragous till the end - but I can't condone what he did.
I can't imagine how he felt knowing what was coming.
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01.01.2007, 22:33 quote

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tis a strange situation, i see that other countrys have equal problems with such nasty dictators, some countrys have experienced there own genocides, a prime example of that would be Rwanada. yet the leaders of the world did not intervene in most of these 'other' cases, human rights abuses have been going on in other countrys like Iran for many many years, so personally i dont see why the western governments have singled out Iraq and its former leader. whilst its a good thing he was removed, cos he was abusing his peoples rights, i do feel the governments responsible for his removal from power have done so with ulterior motive as opposed to 'just doing a good for the world' and i dont buy it myself.

 

01.01.2007, 22:51 quote

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Bettyboobs86 wrote:
SOATom wrote:
in my opinion the death penalty is never right, taking someone elses life is never right, whoever it is and whatever they have done. there are forms of punishment which dont involve killing but his real punishment was that he died with a fucked up conscience and will never be at peace... the only problem now is that the executor will die under the same circumstances (not being hung, being guilty).


thats true - I couldn't do it.

But he didn't show any remorse maybe torture would have been more appropriate but then the torturer would be guilty too.

And keeping him locked up - he'd get protection till he died. Never feeling the same feelings his victims felt as he murdered them.
In a way he was couragous till the end - but I can't condone what he did.
I can't imagine how he felt knowing what was coming.


I just think no human has the right to end anothers life... full stop

 

01.01.2007, 22:54 quote

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SOATom, they don't so what gave him the right to end so many people's lives?

And why shouldn't he be treated the same way?
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01.01.2007, 23:10 quote

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Bettyboobs86 wrote:
SOATom, they don't so what gave him the right to end so many people's lives?

And why shouldn't he be treated the same way?


His crimes would have been dealt with upon his natural death, now all that has happened is that a whole load more people have been dragged down with him, ok it doesnt come even the tiniest bit close to how many people he caused to die but it still does not make it right to kill him.

 

01.01.2007, 23:21 quote

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I don't have it on my conscience - and neither do you.

It was up to the Iraqis as to what happened to him and they dealt with it how they felt was best.
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01.01.2007, 23:24 quote

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Bettyboobs86 wrote:
I don't have it on my conscience - and neither do you.

It was up to the Iraqis as to what happened to him and they dealt with it how they felt was best.


thats not my point though, i dont have it on my conscience either, i just feel bad for those who do.

 

01.01.2007, 23:57 quote

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SOATom wrote:
Bettyboobs86 wrote:
I don't have it on my conscience - and neither do you.

It was up to the Iraqis as to what happened to him and they dealt with it how they felt was best.


thats not my point though, i dont have it on my conscience either, i just feel bad for those who do.

empathy is great but in this case misplaced. He got what he deserved. he didn't deserve the privilege of life

 

02.01.2007, 00:11 quote

Anonymous

with so much hate and anger ou ther and you can still say life is a privelage. Id say its a peice of shit handed to you on a plate. You have to chose wether to like the shit add your sugar and make do or well

 

02.01.2007, 00:18 quote

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baseuk wrote:
with so much hate and anger ou ther and you can still say life is a privelage. Id say its a peice of shit handed to you on a plate. You have to chose wether to like the shit add your sugar and make do or well



ewww did you have to be so graphic about the shit n sugar?

 

02.01.2007, 04:39 quote

Anonymous

yes life is a privilege he didn't deserve. if your life is sh*t do something about it!

 

02.01.2007, 04:52 quote

Anonymous

Well, leaving him rotting away in a dark cell, forgotten about for the rest of his life probably would have been a more fitting way to deal with him in my opinion.

I mean, in the end, all that's happened is the Americans done to Saddam what he was charged of doing. Makes little sense to me in all honesty.

 
 
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