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Home >> Sports >> Beckham recalled to England squad
26.05.2007, 11:33 quote
Former captain David Beckham has been named in the England squad for the first time since the 2006 World Cup.
Coach Steve McClaren's U-turn means Beckham, 32, is set to start Friday's friendly against Brazil followed by the Euro 2008 qualifier in Estonia.
Fit-again Newcastle striker Michael Owen returns in place of Wayne Rooney, who is suspended for the Estonia game.
Reading's Nicky Shorey and David Bentley of Blackburn are also included in the 26-man squad.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/6694743.stm
good news or bad?
26.05.2007, 13:48 quote
Im not surprised really, to be honest
McClaren had to leave Beckham out of the squad when he first took over so that he could build a team as he wanted - leaving the captain in place would have allowed the accusation that McClaren was just carryng on as Erikson had left things. McClaren has had time now to take a good look and a think about what team he wants to use and perhaps there is a place for Beckham in the team for now - is he going to be captain again?
Its the same with club managers - they will often take their backroom staff with them and get rid of the old staff so that they cn do things their own way but with a club team its harder to just replace a player with their costs, with England it is easier because you dont have to find millions to get a new captain.
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26.05.2007, 14:56 quote
Anybody who thinks David Beckham is still good enough for England should be taken behind a barn and shot.
12 months ago, he was a joke. Everybody was calling for him to be dropped because he was playing like shit. Now he's been recalled to the squad based on a newspaper campaign by the women and men who want to shag him. Not one serious football journalist has called for his return.
And neither have any English players, at least not publicly.
Steve McClaren should quit NOW.
26.05.2007, 20:31 quote
Apparently Beckham has more or less carried Real to the brink of the Spanish championship. If you're in form should you not be selected?
Only problem is that he can't seriously be considered long term for Euro 2008 cos by then he'll have had almost a year in MLS which can hardly be described as competitive football at the highest level.
27.05.2007, 17:28 quote
| Baggiebhoy wrote: |
| Anybody who thinks David Beckham is still good enough for England should be taken behind a barn and shot.
12 months ago, he was a joke. Everybody was calling for him to be dropped because he was playing like shit. Now he's been recalled to the squad based on a newspaper campaign by the women and men who want to shag him. Not one serious football journalist has called for his return. And neither have any English players, at least not publicly. Steve McClaren should quit NOW. |
And who else would you play? The current "up and commers" like Lennon have proven to be not quite ready for international level yet and Beckham has pretty much hauled Real off their arse and put them within touching distance of the title. This is the same Real side that were going to sack Capello eariler in the season. Why wasn't he sacked? 'Cause he started playing Beckham again and suddenly the team started playing well and winning games.
Sports journalists aye? What makes them so qualified to decide who to pick and who not too? Because they have better english skills than most people or because they can force their opinion across quick enough? Are these the same one's that praise Owen Hargreaves every week because he had one half decent game for England at the World Cup? 1 good game in 38 caps, must be as good as Pele then
Seriously, the fact is there's no better option for the right. Perhaps we'll get real lucky and MacClaren might relize that Gerrard and Lampard can't play in the same team too.
27.05.2007, 19:49 quote
| Hoshinosuna2 wrote: |
| And who else would you play? The current "up and commers" like Lennon have proven to be not quite ready for international level yet and Beckham has pretty much hauled Real off their arse and put them within touching distance of the title. This is the same Real side that were going to sack Capello eariler in the season. Why wasn't he sacked? 'Cause he started playing Beckham again and suddenly the team started playing well and winning games.
Sports journalists aye? What makes them so qualified to decide who to pick and who not too? Because they have better english skills than most people or because they can force their opinion across quick enough? Are these the same one's that praise Owen Hargreaves every week because he had one half decent game for England at the World Cup? 1 good game in 38 caps, must be as good as Pele then Seriously, the fact is there's no better option for the right. Perhaps we'll get real lucky and MacClaren might relize that Gerrard and Lampard can't play in the same team too. |
I take your point that the current crop are not quite ready, but how else are they going to get ready? They need to play the games. last summer, Beckham made England look one dimensional and one paced. He walked through games and wasn't fit. BTW, Beckham has played in 3 of Real's last 11 games.
I quoted the sports journalists because many of them have been watching the game for many years, some of them have even played at the top level. They know what it takes, and they know what Beckham did last summer, which was nothing.
Gerrard and Lampard can play in the same team, its just that nobody has bothered to work with them so that they understand how the other plays. That is down to bad coaching. The simple fact is, picking Beckham is a backwards step.
Whatever options are available, dropping and then picking Beckham again was the wrong thing to do. It shows McClaren is weak minded, and now we are going to go back to the Sven era tactics. Beckham had too much influence before, and if he should actually manage to do something other than a free kick in either game, it will give him more because it will apparently show how much England need him.
28.05.2007, 09:47 quote
rubbish, Beckham HAS To be in the first team, It is a joke the current squad. Yes have youth, build them into a team of the future, but this is a MUST win game for McLaren, and beckham in the form he is will be great.
Can you imagine his crosses to crouch's head.....think before you comment people!
29.05.2007, 10:26 quote
That is all hes good for though, crosses and set pieces. He is still the same player who played badly last summer, and his time has been and gone.
And Crouch is another player who shouldn't be in the squad. But thats a whole other matter.
29.05.2007, 13:30 quote
| Baggiebhoy wrote: |
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I take your point that the current crop are not quite ready, but how else are they going to get ready? They need to play the games. last summer, Beckham made England look one dimensional and one paced. He walked through games and wasn't fit. BTW, Beckham has played in 3 of Real's last 11 games. I quoted the sports journalists because many of them have been watching the game for many years, some of them have even played at the top level. They know what it takes, and they know what Beckham did last summer, which was nothing. Gerrard and Lampard can play in the same team, its just that nobody has bothered to work with them so that they understand how the other plays. That is down to bad coaching. The simple fact is, picking Beckham is a backwards step. Whatever options are available, dropping and then picking Beckham again was the wrong thing to do. It shows McClaren is weak minded, and now we are going to go back to the Sven era tactics. Beckham had too much influence before, and if he should actually manage to do something other than a free kick in either game, it will give him more because it will apparently show how much England need him. |
Hmm good answers but here's a thought: I wonder if its entriely the players or not? I read a article in the paper the other day (normally I'd avoid such things like the plague but I was bored at work) and the author made some very interesting points. He questioned this: How experianced are English mamagers really? Italy won the World Cup under Marcello Lippi, who's won pretty much everything in the game. We're under MaCalern who's European experianced comes as a loseing UEFA cup finalist. The they brought up some figures asking, since the introduction of the Champion's League, how many English mamagers have entered a team in it? Not won but just managed a team in it? The answer is a grand total of one (the guy who managed Blackburn the year after the won the league, his name escapes me). Wonderful isn't it? The amount of european experiance our managers have comapred to their foreign counterparts is pathetic. Yet when we won the World Cup in 66 and we're one of the top teams in the world (in reality, not just in our dreams like we are now) all of our top teams competing in the European Cup were managed by Englishmen (most of the time). It's an interesting way to look at things.
My point to all that is I don't think its entirely down to the likes of wether or not we play Beckham but perhpas more down to the quality of our managers we select. After all, we could get rid of MaClaren but who we gonna replace him with, assuming we choose an Englishman? Technically, of all the current english managers, he's got the most experiance which is a frightening thing in itself.
However we have to look to the qualifing game against Estonia (bollocks to the pointless friendly against Brazil which we're obviously gonna lose)and ask will playing beckham help us to win? In my view the answer is yes. I also think either Gerrard or Lampard has to be dropped as they just don't co-exist. I'd personally play Gerrard alongside someone like Parker and if that isn't working you have the option of a player of lampards ability on the bench. Just my opinion on the matter.
29.05.2007, 17:31 quote
We could play the Albion side against Estonia and still win. But your point about managers goes into something much deeper- why are the same four clubs the only ones to qualify for the champions league? And why do not one of those four employ an English manager when there are plenty of good ones about?
We could be here a long time, and nothing will ever be done about it.
30.05.2007, 23:13 quote
I believe that you should play players in form.. If that is the case :-
Beckham should be playing.. however if he starts playing as crap as he has done for England the past 3 to 4 Years, kick him out...
I believe that Beckham was kept in the team on the basis of his match winning peformance against Greece in 2001.
Gerrard or Lampard - I don't know what's happenned to Frankie boy in the last year - He's not the same player he was.. however he can't play in the same midfield as Gerrard..
For me, Lampard is not on the same level as Gerrard - would play him over Lampard every time.
Goalkeeper - If we are picking on form, why not David James.. Hey, I'm not one of his biggest fans, however you cannot argue that he has had a phenomenal season with Pompey.. Robinson, Green, Carson, have really all had howlers..
I'm fearful upfront - I'm not certain when Rooney is back (is he suspended for both games, or just the one against Brazil), however I feel that Owen & Smith upfront is a tad bit weak, purely due to lack of football this year.
I would have liked to have seen Kevin Nolan from Bolton getting a game, seeing that the likes of Hargreaves is out.. how he hasn't been picked astounds me.
Sven
31.05.2007, 10:28 quote
My ideal England team would be:
Robinson (not great, but noone better)
G. Neville
Terry
Carragher
A. Cole (see Robinson)
Lennon
Hargreaves
Gerrard
J. Cole
Rooney
Ashton
Owen, Lampard, Ferdinand, Carson, Nolan bench.
31.05.2007, 11:38 quote
| Baggiebhoy wrote: |
| My ideal England team would be:
Robinson (not great, but noone better) G. Neville Terry Carragher A. Cole (see Robinson) Lennon Hargreaves Gerrard J. Cole Rooney Ashton Owen, Lampard, Ferdinand, Carson, Nolan bench. |
To be fair.....that is probably the best team we possibly have.
31.05.2007, 14:45 quote
| PasleptSiekare wrote: | ||
To be fair.....that is probably the best team we possibly have. |
Unless Owen gets fit and back on form...but that isn't a bad team really if they all played to their best, and play as a team.
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