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01.12.2007, 15:26 quote

Anonymous

The costs of th Iraq war are about 1600 Billion US Dollars.

This is 20900 USD per US household.

Imagine, if before the war there had been a referendum in the USA.

"Do you want to start a war against Iraq for only 20900 USD per household?

(a) yes
(b) no "

How many would have chosen option (b) ?

...apart from this war being completely useless anyhow (it only produced more potential terrorists).

 

01.12.2007, 19:48 quote

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a war to keep americas SUV's going

pure and simple
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01.12.2007, 20:22 quote

toby

They won't get any of the oil...for the amount they have spend on the war they could have bought lots and lots of oil.

Although the world is not a safer place now as far as terrorism is concerned, the world is a safer place now as the USA can not afford any new random wars

 

01.12.2007, 20:57 quote

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even though they may not be able to afford any new wars, they still seem to be poking their chest out towards iran, korea and syria
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02.12.2007, 01:06 quote

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toby wrote:
They won't get any of the oil...for the amount they have spend on the war they could have bought lots and lots of oil.

Although the world is not a safer place now as far as terrorism is concerned, the world is a safer place now as the USA can not afford any new random wars


Ahh .... Wrong .... Brazil is only down the road from them.

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Brazil says it has discovered huge new reserves in its south that could turn the country into one of the biggest oil producers in the world.

If one of the deposits turns out to be as vast as it appears, Brazil will be in the same league 'as the Arab countries, Venezuela and others,' the senior minister in charge of the cabinet, Dilma Rousseff, said.

Petrobras, Brazil's national oil company, said in a statement that exploration of its Tupi field, off the coast of the Sao Paulo state, revealed it could produce up to eight billion barrels of light oil and natural gas.

AdvertisementIt said that find, along with another potential field still being explored farther south, could propel Brazil 'among the countries with the biggest oil and gas reserves in the world'.

The head of Petrobras, Jose Sergio Gabrielli, told a press conference in Rio de Janeiro that Brazil's total reserves could now place it 'between Nigeria and Venezuela'.

Petrobras's previous stated reserves, given at the end of 2006, were the equivalent of 11.46 billion barrels of oil. The Tupi find alone could boost that by 50%.

Petrobras operates the Tupi area, of which it holds 65%. British energy group BG holds a 25% share in the field and Portugal's Petrogal-Galp Energia holds 10%. Petrobras also holds the lion's share of interest in the other field being tested.

The Brazilian government said no more parts of the new field would be licensed out until a full evaluation was in.

But analysts say the Tupi field, 250km offshore, lies in very deep water, which will make extraction very expensive.


Brazil .... you're next ..... you have terrorists and you're gonna pay for it Laughing

 

02.12.2007, 01:16 quote

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Chet24 wrote:
even though they may not be able to afford any new wars, they still seem to be poking their chest out towards iran, korea and syria


Now that is a bad move if ever i saw one.

Iraq had almost 12 years of embargo's prior to the war on it, that country was feiced before they even went it, over ran in three-four days. Iran is a totally different story ..... How many Brits were killed by the Americans at the start of the war, what will happen when there are three sides firing? All hell will break loose.


And Iran, no matter what you say about them, they WILL fight for their country. Good education, great health system, good living conditions, civic pride ..... If we were in their position we'd fight too. Bare in mind Bush is the anti-christ and they dont want him near the place. Its not the gazza strip you're dealing with here.

 

02.12.2007, 09:16 quote

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Iraq had 12 years of chances to comply with the United Nations 1991 Gulf War ceasefire regulations but chose to disobey them. Those regulations were to allow complete unfettered access to UN weapons inspectors. To stop targeting the Kurds in the north and the Shias in the south of Iraq.

But not only did Iraq refuse to allow complete access for the UN weapons inspectors often intidating and threatening them but it fired at planes patroling the northern and southern no fly zones.

Iraq was also strongly suspect of supportting and aiding Al Qaeda and there is ample evidence to back up this claim such as the meeting in Prague between Iraqi secret service personnel and one of the 9/11 hijackers. Plus countless other meetings and correspondence between Iraqi secret services and Al Qaeda chiefs. Iraq was also well known to support Palestinian terrorists at one time even have an office for the PLO in Bagdad.

The war was not Americas' fault at all. America and its allies had to act to bring in line a rogue state which was a danger to global security and peace. Not only that but the Iraqi people suffered terribly under Saddam's tyranny, hundreds of thousands were killed and tortured by that regime. The Kurds bearing the worst brunt of the regimes terror with the gassing of 5,000 Kurds at Halabja in 1988.

 

02.12.2007, 09:16 quote

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double post.

 

02.12.2007, 12:12 quote

Anonymous

"The Kurds bearing the worst brunt of the regimes terror with the gassing of 5,000 Kurds at Halabja in 1988".

And who sold them the mustard gas to do it with?
And who turned a blind eye and ignored these murders?
And who was Britains pal at the time?
Why didn't anybody do anything about it at the time?

 

02.12.2007, 15:01 quote

toby

Greystone wrote:
Iraq had 12 years of chances to comply with the United Nations 1991 Gulf War ceasefire regulations but chose to disobey them.


And now make a list of things the USA disobeys....starting with human rights, data protection, the kyoto protocol, the international war crimes court in Den Hague, etc....

 

03.12.2007, 10:39 quote

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RocketGirl wrote:
And who sold them the mustard gas to do it with?
And who turned a blind eye and ignored these murders?
And who was Britains pal at the time?
Why didn't anybody do anything about it at the time?
Most of Iraqs' arms came from the former Soviet nations. Only something like 2 per cent of Iraqi arms came from the UK and other western nations.

Also just because America and Britain have supportted a brutal regime like Iraq in the past does not make it wrong for them to over throw that regime and try to bring in democracy.

Remember also that Iraq was supportted by Britain and America before Tony Blair and George Bush were in power, so they cannot be held responsible for the actions of previous governments.

 

05.12.2007, 00:23 quote

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toby wrote:
Greystone wrote:
Iraq had 12 years of chances to comply with the United Nations 1991 Gulf War ceasefire regulations but chose to disobey them.


And now make a list of things the USA disobeys....starting with human rights, data protection, the kyoto protocol, the international war crimes court in Den Hague, etc....


Sure we're hardly going to let those issues get in the way of a good argument Very Happy

 

05.12.2007, 09:49 quote

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But Iraqs' human rights record under Saddam Hussein was a thousand times worse than that of America. America is at least a free democracy. But there was no freedom and democracy at all in Iraq under Saddam. Remember that Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 and fought an eight year war with Iran from 1980 to 1988 in which it used chemical weapons which cost a million lives. Saddam also massarced hundreds of thousands of his own people such as the Kurds and Shias.

 

05.12.2007, 14:20 quote

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toby wrote:
They won't get any of the oil...for the amount they have spend on the war they could have bought lots and lots of oil.


Exactly. Thats where the 'war for oil' arguement falls to pieces.

Frankly, however true or false our reasons were for going there, I'm not exactly upset to see the back of a guy who used secret police to pistol-drill childrens eyes out in front of their parents. Everyone bitches about world peace and human right but nobody ever wants to set up to the plate and stop those who are abusing and preventing such things. The fact people like Robert Mugmbe (sp?) are still in power is a prime example of this.

The pussication of the Western male is amazing. Fact is that in wars people die. Thats how it goes. If you can't handle seeing a few bodybags fuck knows what would happen if we ever ended up in any real war against a nation that can actually take us on without resorting to cowards tactics. I really hope WW3 never happens because if it does public opinion would leave us totally screwed.

And anyone who thinks Syria and Iran are totally inoccent is niave beyond belief. Syria especailly has been spreading its infulence into other Islamic nations for about the past 50 years or more. I also wonder what they were up to in that base that Israel airstriked in september which the next day the Syrian goverments levelled and denied it ever being there.

 

09.02.2008, 10:17 quote

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Did anybody even notice whose tanks crossed the Kuweite border first?

It's not alright to treat your own citizens the way that iraq had but the moment you step over into your neighbors yard is the moment that people, or countries, in the world are going to notice you and do something about it.

I am not going into the USA and its own violations argument as this is another matter all together. Guantanamo Bay should be leveled if you ask me.

 
 
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