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Home >> World-issues >> Should welfare recipients be drug tested?
01.12.2008, 20:52 quote
| u4ric wrote: |
| I agree with 90% of the stuff that has been said so far as long as its being directed at the addicts and abusers. I am a recreational drug user, I am not addicted, I know my limits and I also know exactly where they come from and who makes them. I can guarantee no one gets hurt in the process.
To me all the millions of people who abuse alcohol at the weekend and the people who need health care due to smoking related illnesses are a far greater threat to tax payers than me. Also lets not forget the drugs that the tests don't pick up like GBL. I know a few police officers that are addicted to that stuff. |
its a fair point to raise about alochol abuse - that does cost the taxpayer a shit load every year.
01.12.2008, 21:26 quote
Nope i think we should just shoot them all instead and save more money that way
In all seriousness, i'm not going to get involved in this one because I hate drugs and everything that comes with it
01.12.2008, 21:35 quote
| CMISO wrote: |
| No, I have no idea how many make that effort but that isn't the point for me.
That lack of care is a sound reason to take them away surely. |
I agree. But the point I was making was it cant be as a punishment or incentive to the drug addict to take their child away. You are punishing the poor kids too. And its using tax payers money, which is what scott was on upon.
Quite often by the time the parent has come to the decision that they want to quit the drugs they do think (or are suggested) that the child would be better off with someone else...and quite frankly, no one can quit a habit like that 'for someone elses sake', it has to be for their own for it to have a chance.
A child as young as 4 yrs old is deemed ok at home if there is bread, or other kind of simple food to help itself too while its parents are stoned/blind drunk etc.
Its only when the child is presented to the right people ie school teachers, hospitals etc. as undernourished or being harmed in some way that action takes place.
This country seems to have no preventative laws, just laws to deal with the outcome of such tragic situations.
I have a neighbor who is a known drug addict and alcoholic, she has a boy of 5 yrs old, the social worker will visit the home in a cloud of cannabis smoke and talk with her half-lying on her sofa drunk and drugs and yet as long as the boy has no visible bruises, he seems chatty and happy and not underweight (they weigh him every week) nothing is done to change the situation. And they look in her fridge for snacks.
It makes me mad. When that boy ends up hurt or something then they will step in, til then his mother has 'rights' and 'she needs help'.
A crazy world.
I agree that kids should be taken away from *anyone* showing that they are incapable of taking care of their child, but it rarely happens, until its too late.
In fact, in an ideal world it would be best to encourage drug users not to have kids in the first place, or not start taking drugs if they already have kids.
Sadly, Utopia this world is not.
01.12.2008, 21:45 quote
| rocketgirl wrote: |
| You are punishing the poor kids too. And its using tax payers money, which is what scott was on upon. |
Well as you've outlined it's not really punishing the kids. And getting them out of that environment seems like an investment.
01.12.2008, 22:40 quote
im on JSA i get £46 a week ... i, like tracey, have to go and sign on every two weeks and be treated like someone who is waiting the job centre staffs' time ... because of all the time wasters, alcoholics, druggies etc that they have to encounter every day
i hate the fact that I am tarred with the same brush when i am desperate to have a job and not be on jsa, i use my jsa for my day to day living and its very hard scraping through on that money ... im very lucky that my dad doesnt charge me rent when i dont have a job ...
i dont know what we would do about addicts and benefits, maybe take their benefits from them and send them to special rehabs that have been set up with the money that is not being paid to them ... to be honest thats a rubbish idea that i have just had lol x
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01.12.2008, 22:46 quote
| FoxyHan wrote: |
| im on JSA i get £46 a week ... i, like tracey, have to go and sign on every two weeks and be treated like someone who is waiting the job centre staffs' time ... because of all the time wasters, alcoholics, druggies etc that they have to encounter every day
i hate the fact that I am tarred with the same brush when i am desperate to have a job and not be on jsa, i use my jsa for my day to day living and its very hard scraping through on that money ... im very lucky that my dad doesnt charge me rent when i dont have a job ... i dont know what we would do about addicts and benefits, maybe take their benefits from them and send them to special rehabs that have been set up with the money that is not being paid to them ... to be honest thats a rubbish idea that i have just had lol x |
no worse than what the government come up wi lol
01.12.2008, 23:44 quote
In some ways, we are far too soft in this country. Some countries (china for instance I believe) if you are caught being a drug addict you get thrown in a cell and made to go cold turkey.
You either kick the habit or you die, simple as.
Here, you are offered rehab if you want it, if you dont, we continue giving free health care and benefits to live on and even if you do decide to go to rehab you have a very slim chance of successfully staying off the drugs, and often spend the rest of your life unemployed and sick anyway with chronic liver disease etc.
On the other hand, if we werent as 'soft' as we are compared to some hard-line countries, we'd have a bad human rights record for the rest of the world to sneer at us for...so we cant win whatever really!
I hate drugs and what it does to people.
In many ways it affects us all.
Back to topic, I still think randomly testing benefit recipients (or all of them) would be a total waste of time and yet more money, because it would achieve nowt in the long run as long as there is a market for illegal drugs they are here to stay I'm afraid.
02.12.2008, 06:56 quote
| u4ric wrote: |
| I agree with 90% of the stuff that has been said so far as long as its being directed at the addicts and abusers. I am a recreational drug user, I am not addicted, I know my limits and I also know exactly where they come from and who makes them. I can guarantee no one gets hurt in the process.
To me all the millions of people who abuse alcohol at the weekend and the people who need health care due to smoking related illnesses are a far greater threat to tax payers than me. Also lets not forget the drugs that the tests don't pick up like GBL. I know a few police officers that are addicted to that stuff. |
What's GBL?
As for the rest, about you being a recreational user and the effects of alcohol and smoking, I agree.
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02.12.2008, 11:33 quote
| redelicious wrote: |
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What's GBL? |
This video was made by my friends at one my favourite clubs:
http://current.com/items/89043768/deadly_club_drug.htm
02.12.2008, 12:47 quote
| u4ric wrote: | ||
This video was made by my friends at one my favourite clubs: http://current.com/items/89043768/deadly_club_drug.htm |
Thats a very good unbiased video.
Dont suppose your mate's done one on PCP by any chance?
02.12.2008, 12:58 quote
Well no one on the clubbing scene knowingly takes PCP. Its use is mainly in those producing cheap and fake pills.
02.12.2008, 13:40 quote
Ah ok. I asked because I have strong suspicions about something.....I wont go into details here, but could I please PM you? You seem quite knowledgeable about these things, and I need some proper info. Websites dont give the info I am looking for.
02.12.2008, 17:35 quote
| u4ric wrote: |
I would love a PM from a girl ![]() |
Alice isn't a girl! She's a lady!
02.12.2008, 17:50 quote
Why, thankee 206bones, that's made my day!
And u4ric I've not yet been able to access the main site to send you a pm, keeps freezing up my computer.
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