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03.05.2008, 12:15 quote

sa1lorman
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This is from the BBC...

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Parents who spend quality time with their children should be rewarded through the benefits system, head teachers' leaders have said.

Punitive steps like fining parents for truanting children rarely worked, National Association of Head Teachers president Clarissa Williams argued.

She also quizzed the logic of insisting young mothers work while their children are brought up by others.

A more creative approach was needed, she told NAHT members in Liverpool.

Ms Williams said at her association's annual conference that she had twice written to the prime minister questioning the rationale behind "a punitive approach to ineffectual parenting".

'Listen With Mother'

She asked: "Why do we feel the need to send children into an educational environment at the age of two?

"Are parents so distrusted that we want to separate them from their children at the earliest opportunity?"

She said "real communication" took place at mealtimes around the table, "without the TV and the video games".

She recalled the "good old days" when mums sat in at schools while their children enjoyed the stories of Listen With Mother on BBC radio.

Her association heard stories of "little ones" in early years centres who were not able to sit still because they were so over-stimulated "or just plain tired because they did not get put to bed early enough," she said.

Ms Williams called for a benefit system which provided incentives for good parents.

"What I would like to see is a benefits system that would reward parents for engaging with schools - that could be linked in some way to the benefits they get," she said.

Perhaps parents who spent time reading to their children, going to school parents evenings or helping out in their school, could get higher payments, she suggested.

She acknowledged it was a complex area and that there would always be some parents that would be hard to reach, but that did not mean it should not be tried.

"We all know what good parenting is, and in fact unless we actually show that and reward that in ways that people see the rewards, which - let's be honest - financial rewards are quite important.

"I think in the long term it will be less expensive in a society, than one which is forever paying out when things go wrong," she added.

Head teachers were reluctant to instigate "parenting orders" as they did little to improve home-school relationships, she added.


I'm all for helping parents and doing things to help them spend time with their kids with things like time off work etc. But why does a parent need a financial incentive to spend time with their kids? Its a sad world we live in if this kind of incentive is needed. I think helping parents that have to work very long hours due to low wages is a good thing, but payments for attending parents evenings etc is plain daft. The reward for parenting is the kids themselves and any financial assitance should be based on need and not interest/disinterest in their kids welfare and schooling.
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03.05.2008, 12:28 quote

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I daren't start on my soapbox with this one!

Let's just say my housing association suggested the idea that they give us tenants a £50 tesco voucher every xmas if throughout the year we had paid our rent on time and not had any complaints from neighbors......I was on the tenants council and told the Chair to stick his vouchers where the sun dont shine and spend my £50 on getting shot of nuisance non-rent paying tenants............... Evil or Very Mad

The world has gone mad - MAD i tell you!!!!

 

03.05.2008, 12:36 quote

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funkychick1 Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 1765 Location: United Kingdom, England, West Midlands
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Unbelieveable ................ UT Like Alice said dont get me started on this one .......... as a single mum of a 10 & 5 year old. i have worked full time all my live ......... my kids still have quality time, and are very bright grounded children, and i dont ask the state for a penny ........ jesus there be paying us to have kids next ............. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

 

03.05.2008, 12:58 quote

lilacrose

I would like to see some people sterilised/castrated at birth......and prolly a monetary incentive would have their parents flocking to get them 'done'............. Twisted Evil

 

03.05.2008, 14:24 quote

wolfwoman
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 205 Location: United Kingdom, England, Sussex
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I do agree that's it's pretty stupid...I mean parents evenings...that doesn't really help the child that much. Though I do think that if it was at all possible to keep track of, that the country could actually be a tad better if certain parents that don't raise their children very well, had more incentive and courses and stuff to go on. A big reason why a lot of the wild youths of today are the way they are, is to do with the way they are brought up. Some parents spend no time with their children and show no sign of care to to them that they do whatever the hell they want and in turn bring theirs up the same way, and then we have the criminals of society in the making. But saying that, I guess those types still wouldn't bother even if there was a pay out. ah just some random thoughts!

 

03.05.2008, 17:56 quote

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oohhh this topic is gonna get a rant later when i get home later !!! Twisted Evil
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11.06.2008, 19:34 quote

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wolfwoman wrote:
I do agree that's it's pretty stupid...I mean parents evenings...that doesn't really help the child that much. Though I do think that if it was at all possible to keep track of, that the country could actually be a tad better if certain parents that don't raise their children very well, had more incentive and courses and stuff to go on. A big reason why a lot of the wild youths of today are the way they are, is to do with the way they are brought up. Some parents spend no time with their children and show no sign of care to to them that they do whatever the hell they want and in turn bring theirs up the same way, and then we have the criminals of society in the making. But saying that, I guess those types still wouldn't bother even if there was a pay out. ah just some random thoughts!

My eldest brother is a teacher and he reckons that come parents evening, the parents that he needs to see don't turn up and vice versa. As you say, those that don't care never will no matter what.
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11.06.2008, 19:49 quote

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Parents who spend quality time with their children should be rewarded through the benefits system, head teachers' leaders have said.


Erm, isn't that what being a parent is all about ? Spending quality time with your kids!

Maybe i see it slightly differently as my lad doesn't live with me full time, but i spend as much time with my son as possible and i don't need, nor want, some poxy reward. The rewards of seeing him happy and doing well are far greater than anything anyone else could offer.

As for parents evenings.. if they made them a bit more interesting i'm sure parents would be more inclined to go to them ? i remember the ones i had at school, it was more like an interogation than a meeting !

One of the things that makes me laugh is teachers are all up for blaming the parents, yup - that's definately the solution - blame everyone else.

My cousin is dislexic and the school didn't realise until he was 15 years old by which point it was way too late for them to help him get through his GCSE's, instead they chose to blame his parents for not helping him with his homework and allowing him to do other stuff ( which he didn't even get to do ). It got to the point where his mum took him to a Gp to get a second opinion on things when they finally realised that he was dyslexic. Had the SCHOOL been paying more attention, they probably would have picked up on it a few years sooner..

so if you ask me, Schools blaming the parents is a cheap arsed way of saying shit rolls down hill and we're just going to blame you ! It wouldn't have made any difference if the 'state' had paid his parents for going to parents evening, if the teachers had payed attention to him in the first place.. well..


Rant over.. for now
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