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Home >> World-issues >> London Anti-War Protests
16.01.2009, 15:27 quote
| politegorilla wrote: |
| Ed, Alice,
I think we are currently either seeing a troll trying to wind people up or a genuinely ignorant person. |
I don't know what you're seeing buddy... but thanks for the compliment anyway.
| politegorilla wrote: |
| The protests in London are definitely inspired by the historic success of international democratic activism both here and abroad. |
Now they're not! At least, the protests we're discussing about aren't. They might be inspired by good will, and i prefer to consider they are, but the bad thing about them, is that all the participants are completely ignorant. Yes, they might know what's happening (by media's "grace"), but they don't know why it's happening. If you don't know the cause of even the simplest of diseases, you will never find a cure for it. In other words, your protests are completely useless. The expression that describes it best, is "you're so barking to the wrong tree!"!
Despite what you might say here (by even complimenting me again
| politegorilla wrote: |
| Both local and international activism can be very effective, there is no denying that. However some people will always have a go, regardless. |
but of course you should have a go! regardless... at least you show you're interested somehow... but is it wrong to encourage you to get the best of it, do the best of it and be as successful as you can?
and it surely can be effective... but you should be "barking to the right tree", - if you know what i'm saying. I never saw any protests against hamas rockets, i never saw any protests from you guys to sympathize with jewish victims... ??? but give it a go at least... solidarity is a good human virtue (good by definition even)... but are you showing solidarity for human life? or just palestinian human life?
[quote="politegorilla"]Try not to feed the troll or allow him to drag you into unnecessary arguments for his own amusement.
/quote]
now you tell me in what way am i having fun? that IS called prejudice, and in my dictionary has never had a good meaning.
so, have a good time not-so-politegorilla, God Bless and I hope (wish, more) you have some success in what you're doing. If you (protesters) had, then it's a GREAT thing.
16.01.2009, 15:33 quote
| politegorilla wrote: | ||
In English the term "world history" can be a noun phrase like "local history" or "internet troll". Therefore it is possible to read about world history. |
Boy... i know quite well what that means... puhleaze now...
but that's the whole issue, you read "about" it, you don't learn, and that you can achieve by STUDYING IT. Therefore, all this could actually be a troll... you're too redundant in this issue.
cheers mate!
PS: you don't have to take everything so negatively... we probabaly are more alike than it might seem. After all, i could have said all the above with genuinely good intentions... have you considered that?
16.01.2009, 18:52 quote
[quote="sasquirrel"][ I never saw any protests against hamas rockets, i never saw any protests from you guys to sympathize with jewish victims... ??? but give it a go at least... solidarity is a good human virtue (good by definition even)... but are you showing solidarity for human life? or just palestinian human life?/quote]
Ah. I see.
Well, if it helps any, I give regularly (by standing order) to Jewish Care, and am a big supporter of Holocaust Day. An elderly friend of mine (passed away some years ago) was the first man liberated from Auschwitz. (no I am not jewish).
Also, as a member of Amnesty International I have written to leaders on both sides of this tragic situation, yes little old me haha I am certain no big honcho man has read my letters but at least I feel that I am 'doing my bit' on both sides.
I dont feel either side is better or more right than the other (given past and present behavior) I would just like to see the killing and hurt stopped.
16.01.2009, 20:47 quote
| rocketgirl wrote: |
| I dont feel either side is better or more right than the other. |
Then you can't be in the picture, you can't even see the picture; you just know THERE IS a picture.
Newton's law. simple. action, - counteraction.
for somebody to solve this problem, the requirement is to produce an "action" whose "counteraction" equals peace, or no-killing.
This is the easy bit. The really hard bit, is when you hope humans strip themselves off their human nature, and start contradicting nature.
it has happened in the past, it will happen again, but i don't think it's appropriate to apply it to this kind of situation where human life losses are involved.
failure to find that "action" just increased the longevity of that conflict.
you, though, are undecided in your ideas, or all you focus on is "human life is precious". You are afraid of analysing a problem, finding historical info and insight about it, you are afraid of "taking sides" (that-wrong, this-right) because you haven't considered the idea yet, that human life remains precious no matter how right or wrong one, or either sides can be.
But, congrats for your efforts. i really, truly and sincerely appreciate them.
16.01.2009, 21:18 quote
| sasquirrel wrote: | ||
Then you can't be in the picture, you can't even see the picture; you just know THERE IS a picture. Newton's law. simple. action, - counteraction. for somebody to solve this problem, the requirement is to produce an "action" whose "counteraction" equals peace, or no-killing. This is the easy bit. The really hard bit, is when you hope humans strip themselves off their human nature, and start contradicting nature. it has happened in the past, it will happen again, but i don't think it's appropriate to apply it to this kind of situation where human life losses are involved. failure to find that "action" just increased the longevity of that conflict. you, though, are undecided in your ideas, or all you focus on is "human life is precious". You are afraid of analysing a problem, finding historical info and insight about it, you are afraid of "taking sides" (that-wrong, this-right) because you haven't considered the idea yet, that human life remains precious no matter how right or wrong one, or either sides can be.But, congrats for your efforts. i really, truly and sincerely appreciate them. |
Oh get over yourself you silly little boy!
Lots of big words dont make you more clever or more 'in the know' than I. It just makes you look pompous. Which tabloid did you read that spiel from by the way?
All I said - and I stand by my words - I am not taking sides, because
A. I am a third party, neither side is 'my' side, I could only curry favor or sympathise with another's plight
B I think (yes having given it some thought thanks) that both sides are not whiter than the driven slush
C I think (again having given it some thought) both sides have valid points that I agree with, or at least sympathise with.
So I dont take sides, not sitting on the fence, merely sitting far away and doing the only thing I can do, and that is whatever it takes to support HUMAN LIFE.
I have highlighted in blue what makes the least sense, I mean for goodness sake what do you think I have chuffing said????!!!
If you dont like my point of view, tough.
I have more important things to do than to argue on here with someone who only knows how to regurgitate what he read in some rag and thinks it makes him intelligent and intellectual.
And there I shall leave you to it.
16.01.2009, 21:30 quote
dear... i left it to you with that last one... but you said i've picked something that did come out of my line of logic, from someplace else. tough too.
PS: i didn't say anything about me liking or not your point of view, which, by the way, in your words is, far away.
you listed three points there, and that is exactly your point of view: it doesn't exist. there's signs of an inner struggle in you trying to understand something, but you contradict yourself twice in three. it is actually three in three... but one of them will one day prevail, and that's what YOUR point of view will be.
and there, you feel bad because somehow you found yourself in that comment... strange the way people react when they meet themselves.
but keep it up dear.
now pick the place to pitch your tent.
16.01.2009, 21:36 quote
I have decided to answer your last post in exactly the same manner as yours - clearly and concisely:
Yes the cups of tea shine very brightly down my street when my mother washes the moon on the bus at midday.
16.02.2009, 19:28 quote
| politegorilla wrote: |
| Your English isn't very good but I've had a stab at working through what you've written.
|
I laughed.
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