well i've said my bit about how i feel about karen mathews ....

Hope she gets whats coming to her in prison

For what its worth Claudia, I agree!

I cant begin to imagine drugging my kids so I dont have to pay them attention...the mind boggles.

Have to disagree with you Alice...her partners did probably see her as a slapper and an easy lay and thats why they went there....Probably didnt want the kids at the end of it but got stuck with it. She is a bit of a bloody minger to be honest ..Whats the saying..you don't look at the fireplace when your poking the fire (or something like that)

I do believe social services have a lot to answer for in this case too. Just as they did in the baby P case. Thank god little Shannon didnt end up like that although she is going to be scarred for life by this experience thats for sure.

Did anybody watch the documentary on BBC1 last night about this???? Was rather interesting.

I watched it & yes! it was very interesting

But Cazz, which bit about her is a slapper? The fact that she's had alot of partners (apparently only about 5 or 6), or the fact that she's had alot of kids by them, or the fact that she's a useless oxygen thieving dss scrounging waster of an incompetent mother?
Lots of women have lots of partners - here on flirtbox, it has been well discussed that having lots of partners is not automatic qualification of Slapper title, depends on personal opinion ie personal morals - should any woman who has had oooooh lets say more than 4 partners, one nighters or whatever, be labelled slapper and be forced to be sterilised?...which is the point I was making.
I have come across in my past work women who have only ever had one partner and one child and totally useless at parenthood who I would dearly love the social services take the child away from them and force them to be sterilised.
Its always going to be a very grey area.

How many partners and their extended families was it that the police had to investigate??? And that was only the ones she had kids with...think it was 6 they showed on that documentary last night.

I can see your point Alice believe me but sorry and I know its judgemental but from what has been seen and written about this woman from all different sources, she's a slapper in my book. My personal opinion. And in cases such as hers where she obviously can't look after what she's got then, yes they should be steralised (as well as the mother of Baby P & anybody else that was involved) They should never be allowed to have any more kids. They have been proven by a jury to be bad parents so yes it should happen. Take the "choice" away from them. Again my personal opinion. I'm with cheeky on this one.

I'm just surprised that nobody has got to her yet....it definately won't be long before someone does and i hope it bloody hurts!!!

Personally, from a purely emotional point of view (and using my own moral sliderule) I agree with you and Claudia.
But, in the grand scale of things, it just doesnt work that way, does it?
I've just been reading about baby Aisha Allen.
Having been shook to death by her father for crying, he and her mother then had another child which the social services took off them when he got charged with manslaughter for aisha, now the mother's due another baby by another man....both parents have a very low IQ.
It seems their only 'real crime' is that they were both unfortunate enough to be born with low intelligence, and once again slipped through the social services net when if they had been given appropriate help in the first place, they might have cared for aisha alot better and not hurt and killed her, and if not been forced to be sterilised, why not encouraged to do so?
I chose to be sterilised because I had increased chance of having a baby that would be severely disabled and I didnt think it fair on said child, so why not these people?
Not forced, just encouraged. Same as any responsible mother encourages her sexually active offspring to use contraceptives, in effect people with very low IQs are never going to be able to be totally responsible for themselves and need help in making life decisions, and I think a social worker reminding these people to take a daily pill wouldnt go amiss, surely?

of course there are intelligent people who make poor parents too, such as the millionaire who burnt his mansion down. Equally, there are people of low intelligence who make a good job of parenting

i have 2 kids off 2 dads, does that make me a slapper ???? i live for my kids and anyone like that bitch that did that to her daughter should be never allowed to haver children again or be allowed to have contact with any of her others kids ........... end off

My god here we go again! this is the second time now in these forums that i find people demanding compulsory sterilization. scAry! If you read some history you wll find that the last time the subject of enforced sterilization (EUGENICS) was used was by Hitler in the 1930's onwards, be careful what you ask for! you might get it!