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30.05.2007, 03:01 quote

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Nah your all wrong the word money is the only one he'd have learnt to spell.
greedy son of a bitch.
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28.11.2007, 21:23 quote

manfrommayo

Greystone wrote:
Being from Ireland you will also know that Bill Clinton helped Tony Blair to broker the Good Friday agreement in 1998 that led to the establishment of the new Northern Ireland Assembly. You see American presidents are not all bad.


Well, I for one don't see what's so great about making a mass murderer Deputy First Minister.

Martin McGuinness should be swinging from a rope! Evil or Very Mad

 

29.11.2007, 18:42 quote

ChiefOHara
ChiefOHara Joined: 11 Feb 2006 Posts: 2851 Location: Ireland, Cork, Cork
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ManFromMayo wrote:
Greystone wrote:
Being from Ireland you will also know that Bill Clinton helped Tony Blair to broker the Good Friday agreement in 1998 that led to the establishment of the new Northern Ireland Assembly. You see American presidents are not all bad.


Well, I for one don't see what's so great about making a mass murderer Deputy First Minister.

Martin McGuinness should be swinging from a rope! Evil or Very Mad


Well im just playing devils advocate here, but a lot of the TD's within the First Free State Dáil were killers. We can't snub our noses at the appointment of McGuinness in the north.

Having a former IRA Commander as deputy first minister and as a minister for education is certainly an uncomfortable feeling, but having a (former?) renowned religious bigot as First minister is just as errie. I'd consider Paisley's hands just as bloody as McGuinness's, he may never have picked up a gun, but he reinforced and promoted intolerance to the degree that others picked up the gun either in spite of, or for him.

 

09.12.2007, 18:44 quote

manfrommayo

What I can never figure is; why they couldn't have just come up with a power sharing arrangement between the exclusively constitutional parties of the North - SDLP, UUP, Alliance, etc. - completely sidelining the paramilitaries whilst giving the people of NI representative and regional government. They could have given the Anglo-Irish Agreement of '85 another go, I personally believe the North was in safer hands with Fitzgerald and Thatcher than it is/was in the hands of Ahern and Blair; whatever you think of Thatcher, you have to agree she has more conviction in her little finger than Blair has in his entire body! Razz

As for Paisley, I dunno what to think - he has stayed clear of the paramilitaries down the years, but it is true to say he fanned the flames in the North in way similar to way Dev fanned the flames of the Civil War with his "Rivers of blood" speech. I see Paisley as complex figure; perhaps the same could have been said about Dev, but anyway, Paisley seems to hate Catholicism itself rather than hating individual Catholics - an interesting distinction - but the fact that Paisley gets a huge Catholic vote speaks volumes, as does the fact he was helping Dana with her book launch! Razz I am tempted to say that Paisley's bark is perhaps worse than his bite, but as I say, he's a complex figure.

I don't generally like to draw comparisons between the Old IRA and the Provos, but there were scumbags in that movement, as the Coolacrease Massacre demonstrates. The Treaty and subsequent Civil War separated the good men from the bad - all the scumbags were Anti-Treaty!

 
 
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