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02.11.2007, 21:37 quote

manfrommayo

RocketGirl wrote:
We brought our kids up with the idea that "Rights come with responsibility, and responsibility comes with rights".
The mind boggles when reading in the paper that some drug addict who is in prison for stabbing someone to rob them of their money he sued the prison for not giving him heroin while in prison as it went against his Human Rights? Can't recall the full story but that was the gist of it.
I too get riled when i hear criminals crow about their human rights - dismissing the 'human rights' of their victims.
We live in a sick society where we all gotta be PC for fear of someone suing us or being labelled racist or whatever and i agree it does seem as if the focus does these days seem to be focussed on the human rights of the criminals and not their victims.
I have no idea what to say re the deportation story, its a minefield of complicatedness.


Rights do come with responsibilities - which is why these days people are giving up their freedom to the state, they want the state to take responsibility for their lives. So, we get a whole load of pseudo-rights instead, like the criminal's right to an endless mainline, or an illegal's right to live in someone else's country.. etc.

Political Correctness is censorship first off. Secondly, it's emotional and moral blackmail to those who are indoctrinated with it, "my feelings are hurt, etc. It's not an exxagerration to say it's at the point where we can't breath in someone else's direction without 'invading their space'! Razz

Deportation... well, I do wonder if illegals are deported anymore....

 

02.11.2007, 22:32 quote

Anonymous

"Deportation... well, I do wonder if illegals are deported anymore...."
Don't they lose most of them on the way to the airport?

 

02.11.2007, 22:43 quote

manfrommayo

RocketGirl wrote:
"Deportation... well, I do wonder if illegals are deported anymore...."
Don't they lose most of them on the way to the airport?


Probably... they probably put them on (public) transport - some Pakis get off an visit a corner shop! Laughing

 

02.11.2007, 23:17 quote

Anonymous

I used to work in rehabilitating ex-offenders - a guy would leave prison/detention, wearing a leg tag, his parole officer would see him off onto the train and we would be meeting him at his destination.........of course often enough he'd gotten off at another station inbetween, having dumped his tag down the loo on the train or chucked it out the window..........by the time the tagging service people got thier act together and it was officially noted.......that could be several months later.
This country couldn't run a pee up in a brewery!!

 

02.11.2007, 23:21 quote

Anonymous

Sorry went a bit off topic there - but actually I once had a guy tell me that it was against his Human Rights to make him wear a tag "like a dog" - conveniently forgetting that the only reason why he was wearing it was that he'd been released before his sentence was complete!

 

02.11.2007, 23:44 quote

manfrommayo

RocketGirl wrote:
I used to work in rehabilitating ex-offenders - a guy would leave prison/detention, wearing a leg tag, his parole officer would see him off onto the train and we would be meeting him at his destination.........of course often enough he'd gotten off at another station inbetween, having dumped his tag down the loo on the train or chucked it out the window..........by the time the tagging service people got thier act together and it was officially noted.......that could be several months later.
This country couldn't run a pee up in a brewery!!


Good God, no wonder they got the immigration figures way wrong there during the week - incompetence is everywhere!

 

03.11.2007, 10:44 quote

Anonymous

Before my current job i worked at the Home office in ACD (Asylum Casework Directorate) i had to go through cases and decide whether they could be removed from the country or the case had to be sent to another part of the system (i.e. appeals or further representations etc) and sometime i might have sent a case file off to removals then 6 weeks later it comes back from removals back to me because during that 6 weeks the appilcant had sent in further representations that have to be considered. Their whole system in there is so slow that some people play on that to stay as long as possible as an illegal.

There was one guy, god knows how he managed it but he arrived here in 1989 and he was still here as an illegal, even though his case had been refused, appeal had been dismissed etc. his case came to me because i worked on a specialist team for more complex cases and his was just a case of over staying and now he had made fresh representations...again. in his supporting evidence he put down his occupation as market trader and in his bank statement it showed that he had £750,000 in the bank, that must be some busy market!
Anyway, because he had been here so long due to home office marry ups, he wasn't allowed to be removed, regardless of what his case was, because he had been here so long it would have been wrong to remove him. Because the home office is so slow and the asylum system is so overloaded with applicants more and more people will just be granted ILR (indefinite leave to remain) because the home office wont employ enough staff to do the task effectively.

What we are finding now is that the home office is quietly relaxing laws (for instance the family ILR laws) so that they can grant more people ILR and thus take some pressure off the system, but that isnt working because more people are going to come and apply. The government always seem to do things for the short term, it doesnt seem to have registered that if they doubled their asylum casework staff numbers for 5 years they could probably clear most of the backlog in 5 or 6 years, obviously that would double the staff budget for 5 years but at least its a long term solution to a very big ever increasing problem.

 

03.11.2007, 18:41 quote

manfrommayo

Everyone hates bureaucracy - except the bureaucrats! Razz

 

03.11.2007, 21:07 quote

Anonymous

scottie69 wrote:
Before my current job i worked at the Home office in ACD (Asylum Casework Directorate) i had to go through cases and decide whether they could be removed from the country or the case had to be sent to another part of the system (i.e. appeals or further representations etc) and sometime i might have sent a case file off to removals then 6 weeks later it comes back from removals back to me because during that 6 weeks the appilcant had sent in further representations that have to be considered. Their whole system in there is so slow that some people play on that to stay as long as possible as an illegal.

There was one guy, god knows how he managed it but he arrived here in 1989 and he was still here as an illegal, even though his case had been refused, appeal had been dismissed etc. his case came to me because i worked on a specialist team for more complex cases and his was just a case of over staying and now he had made fresh representations...again. in his supporting evidence he put down his occupation as market trader and in his bank statement it showed that he had £750,000 in the bank, that must be some busy market!
Anyway, because he had been here so long due to home office marry ups, he wasn't allowed to be removed, regardless of what his case was, because he had been here so long it would have been wrong to remove him. Because the home office is so slow and the asylum system is so overloaded with applicants more and more people will just be granted ILR (indefinite leave to remain) because the home office wont employ enough staff to do the task effectively.

What we are finding now is that the home office is quietly relaxing laws (for instance the family ILR laws) so that they can grant more people ILR and thus take some pressure off the system, but that isnt working because more people are going to come and apply. The government always seem to do things for the short term, it doesnt seem to have registered that if they doubled their asylum casework staff numbers for 5 years they could probably clear most of the backlog in 5 or 6 years, obviously that would double the staff budget for 5 years but at least its a long term solution to a very big ever increasing problem.


Isn't this taking the least line of resistance? Like you say just taking care of the short term. A bit like when i tied my exhaust pipe with string - did the job for a fair few miles, but in the end it fell off down the motorway and cost me way way more than if i had taken it to a garage in the first place and had it tightened up!!
The people in govt all seem to be so very short sighted....

 
 
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