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23.10.2008, 10:55 quote

choochi0

Anyone notice that this is a Humanist campaign?

I'm going to share something with you. I'm a Humanist.
This doesn't mean I don't believe in a god - the majority of people in this country were brought up with societies general consensus that there is something divine up there and it is very hard for someone brought up in that environment to entirely discount the existence of a divine being. Much the same as every magazine telling women they are fat and the majority believing it or having a very hard time convincing themselves that it is not true.

Anyway, I digress. Humanism is exactly what it says on the tin.

I will direct you to the wondrous Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism

and The British Humanist Association http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309

Humanists are not exclusively Atheist and so would not make closed statements such as "God Does Not Exist"

I do agree though that what is proposed is a bit soft, fluffy and PC. I could probably think up something better but I'm not being paid to do that so I'll just chuckle from the sidelines.

 

23.10.2008, 11:23 quote

darkhorse57

Most of the press does not make mention of the Humanist aspect, they bang on about it being an atheist campaign.

To some extent I suspect that the media is patronising the public somewhat and just using a word that most people will be able to relate to and comprehend (i.e. atheist ).

 

23.10.2008, 11:29 quote

darkhorse57

choochi0 wrote:
Anyone notice that this is a Humanist campaign?


Incidentally, it isn't a Humanist campaign, it is merely being supported by the BHA inasmuch as the BHA is administering the donations (and perhaps plays some other role)

The official web site for the campaign is at
http://www.atheistcampaign.org/ - as one can see, it is clearly being touted as Atheist Campaign.

 

23.10.2008, 11:40 quote

choochi0

It would seems the BHA have put a lot of money into it which may explain the ambiguous statement - well the truth of it. As I note they are saying they have added probably or the campaign would not have been allowed.

 

23.10.2008, 12:13 quote

darkhorse57

choochi0 wrote:
It would seems the BHA have put a lot of money into it which may explain the ambiguous statement - well the truth of it. As I note they are saying they have added probably or the campaign would not have been allowed.


I was thinking the same thing. Politics , eh? Sorry, I wasn't picking fault with your statement .....

..... I'm going to share something with you. I'm an Accurist

I have to be honest, even though I make a living (haha) out of the internet, I detest the way the internet has opened the way to inaccurate (and therefore unprofessional) journalism/reporting. Whilst web sites like the Daily Mash make an great read, the facts they integrate into their humourous articles are sometimes wildly inaccurate, something that mainsteam media is also sometimes guilty of.

 

23.10.2008, 15:48 quote

trevp66
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choochi0 wrote:
It would seems the BHA have put a lot of money into it which may explain the ambiguous statement - well the truth of it. As I note they are saying they have added probably or the campaign would not have been allowed.


Yep, advertising rules mean that you are not allowed (in this country) to use unproven, or unprovable opinions as a statement of fact, as in "Carlsberg, probably the best lager in the world".

I generally agree with the ad campaign, and humanism is preferable to following any 'religion' IMO. And then again, I don't really like to be labelled as this or that, I'm just happy to exist in the crazy world knowing that 'weird shit happens', god or no god, when we look at the beauty of the world around us, and the greater universe we are really very priveleged to be here.
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23.10.2008, 15:53 quote

cmiso

Hmmm I don't see how they can get away with saying it's probably the best in the world tbh.

 

23.10.2008, 17:00 quote

politegorilla
politegorilla Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Posts: 444 Location: United Kingdom, England, Berkshire
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Here's my tuppence on this matter ...

The statement "there probably is no God" is probably meant to be phrased in a scientific way. It is presumably not meant to be an "atheistic" statement.

From such a perspective it would be unwise to state that "there is no God" because you can't devise a reputable, repeatable experiment to prove or disprove the Christian god.

In the absence of such an experiment, and the presence of conflicting unprovable religious beliefs, then "there probably is no God" is a reasonable statement for a scientist to make.

Don't forget that "atheist" and "agnostic" are Christian terms and non-Christians have no obligation to see the world through a Christian viewpoint, using Christian terms and definitions.

Strictly speaking "There probably are no gods" is the more universally applicable statement in response to the world's major religions.

 

23.10.2008, 17:07 quote

politegorilla
politegorilla Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Posts: 444 Location: United Kingdom, England, Berkshire
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choochi0 wrote:
Anyone notice that this is a Humanist campaign?


Aye, Richard Dawkins is just the front man for this ad.

That was a good article from the Wikipedia and very informative.

 

24.10.2008, 07:36 quote

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choochi0 wrote:
It would seems the BHA have put a lot of money into it which may explain the ambiguous statement - well the truth of it. As I note they are saying they have added probably or the campaign would not have been allowed.


No they have not! The vast majority of the over £85,000 raised so far has been by ordinary folk like you n me. Checkout facebook for better inside information;

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=32985131033&ref=mf

If that doesn't work, you can get on to it via my facebook page. Yes I'm an atheist with a voice Smile
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24.10.2008, 07:42 quote

choochi0

trevp66 wrote:
Yep, advertising rules mean that you are not allowed (in this country) to use unproven, or unprovable opinions as a statement of fact, as in "Carlsberg, probably the best lager in the world".


This has reminded me of a sign on a church near to my home. It says

'Jesus died so that we could have eternal life in Heaven - according to scriptures'

It just tickles me.

 

24.10.2008, 09:04 quote

redelicious
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politegorilla wrote:
choochi0 wrote:
Anyone notice that this is a Humanist campaign?


Aye, Richard Dawkins is just the front man for this ad.

That was a good article from the Wikipedia and very informative.


He pledged to double the donations if they ever reached £5,500. Good job he put a ceiling on the amount. It's near £90,000 now
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24.10.2008, 09:06 quote

redelicious
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Everyone's quite rigth about the 'probably'. But how come Christians get away with declaring '...we WILL burn in the fires of hell'?

Double standards by the church yet again.
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24.10.2008, 10:13 quote

rocketgirl

Red's right. It does seem a bit unbalanced that. Your rarely see "maybe" "possibly" "probably" etc. on Christian statements - Choochi0's local church being an exception - but I guess it's down to the fact that this country, like it or not, is still a Christian based country, the queen is still Head of The Church of England, most laws stem from Christian doctrines etc.

 

24.10.2008, 10:29 quote

redelicious
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rocketgirl wrote:
Red's right. It does seem a bit unbalanced that. Your rarely see "maybe" "possibly" "probably" etc. on Christian statements - Choochi0's local church being an exception - but I guess it's down to the fact that this country, like it or not, is still a Christian based country, the queen is still Head of The Church of England, most laws stem from Christian doctrines etc.
But PC rules and regs are a modern phenomenon RG, so why isn't it being PC? In my opinion (be it ever-so 'umble), PC is ment to create balance for all (stop sniggering!)so either 'There is no god' AND 'You WILL burn in the fires of hell' OR 'There is probably no god' AND 'You probably will burn in the fires of hell', I for one don't mind which, just so long as it's fair.
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