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23.10.2008, 07:59 quote

redelicious
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7364475.stm

Opinions please.

I for one believe that what happens between consenting adults should be left well alone.
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23.10.2008, 08:20 quote

darkhorse57

This is quite a contentious subject, as one persons view of what might be regarded as extreme pornography is different to another’s. I also think it prudent to point out that the new law refers to possession of extreme pornography images, not what happens in one’s own home between consenting adults.

Like a lot of things in the press/media, perhaps this has been blown out of proportion? According to the article, the Criminal Justice Bill definition of extreme pornography is:
1: An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life
2: An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals
3: An act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse
4: A person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral love with an animal

Although I am quite broad- and open-minded, with neutral consideration I do agree that the four points raised above are quite extreme (in fact I find the ‘sexual interference with a corpse’ aspect quite disgusting), and personally wouldn’t even think to go and look for images of someone doing this.

 

23.10.2008, 08:37 quote

bexbex

Madness! IMO what happens between 2 consenting adults is nobody elses business. So how are they going to check up on this if it comes into force? Will we have to have cameras in out bedrooms????

 

23.10.2008, 09:07 quote

darkhorse57

Elaborating on what I said above, this law isn’t really aimed at what happens between consenting adults in the bedroom, and refers specifically to images depicting EXTREME acts (outlined above). I have no idea where the bit about what happens between consenting adults came from, the press appear to have been talking to some people with invalid arguments).

As far as I can tell this new law does NOT refer to anything that might be happening in the bedroom between consenting adults, UNLESS they are using extreme pornographic images as part of what they doing (or indeed any other illegal act), which, of course, is in private anyway, so who would know what you were doing?

Contrary to belief, many BDSM activities are actually illegal in the UK anyway, so in theory even images depicting milder BDSM activities are illegal. British law does not recognize the possibility of consenting to bodily injury, even between consenting adults. Images like this are usually hosted on servers outside of the UK, where such activities are not illegal, so, in theory, authorities would only need to monitor UK traffic to such web sites to find out who was accessing these images.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pornography makes interesting reading on the background to this new law.

Er, on the slightly funnier side, how is sexually interfering with a corpse in your own bedroom consented between adults? The corpse is dead, and therefore unable to consent to whatever is being done to it/him/her.

 

23.10.2008, 09:39 quote

redelicious
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Regarding your points 1) and 2) DH, this would cover such as BDSM. Something a heck of a lot of people seem to be into.Personally I can't see how it's harmful to anyone... .. erm, ok, bit of an oxymoron. The whole idea is to hurt, but not without the other wanting it to. Those in the video are being paid for it, and if it's an amateur video, it's between 2 consenting adults.

I for one like my fellah to occasionally(very lightly) put his hand around my neck during love. This would come under point 1).

I like watching the occasional bit of porn. Why shouldn't I? At the moment, they're trying to tell us what we can and can't watch. How long before they try to tell us what we can and can't do?

As the article pointed out, rational people don't watch something like that and then feel the need to brutally kill someone. People like the guy in question will murder at some point anyway. They don't need love videos to tell them how they're going to do it.

The poor woman that instigated the whole thing is understandably distressed, but how can the government bring out such a law over it? Especially when so may politicians are helping keep the porn industry going Wink
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23.10.2008, 10:06 quote

darkhorse57

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with anything at all, just making logical observations. I do not want to go into specific detail of things that happen in my bedroom, in case Big Brother is reading this (and no, I have never shagged a corpse, nor have I given an animal oral love ). Having said that that, as discussed elsewhere on the forum at various times over the past year and a half (oh no, have I been here that long??) I think a bit of light strangulation, biting, spanking, etc, etc is quite in order. I'm not sure what my partner thinks of the practice, but I have not heard any complaints. Come to think of it, since she didn't consent, it was illegal. Oh shock, horror .... I must remember to get written permission next time

 

23.10.2008, 10:20 quote

darkhorse57

..... and .....

 

23.10.2008, 10:21 quote

darkhorse57

..... I herby declare the last Wednesday in October .....

 

23.10.2008, 10:21 quote

darkhorse57

National Spanking Wednesday!!







In fact, since this is the World Issues forum, I declare it International Spanking Wednesday. I might even make a web site for my campaign, and advertise it on London buses and the tube

 

23.10.2008, 10:35 quote

choochi0

Whilst there are some very disturbed people out there I am of an opinion the same as Red, if a person wants to harm another person without consent to revel in their own monstrous amusement the existence of these images will do little to change this desire.

There are many influences that mould a person into a monster and sexual fetish images were a small part of the experiences that made this man the monster he is today.

Thankfully these type of people are not the norm, but to prevent something like this happening again is impossible as you would have to go back in time to see what influences caused this incident and they might be a hundred miles away from what causes the next one.

The mother's loss and pain is causing her to act rashly and our floundering desperate government don't know what they should be doing, but must be seem to be doing something and so are doing this.

 

23.10.2008, 10:35 quote

snaithman

Anything between consenting adults should be their business only.
Obviously anyone involved in kiddy fiddling or such like, should slowly be torchered to the brink of death and continuously revived and torchered until the end of their days. Evil or Very Mad

 

23.10.2008, 11:15 quote

darkhorse57

Just for the sake of argument (or discussion), since the legal age of consent for heterosexual and homosexual activity in the UK is 16, how would people here who have teenagers and who advocate ‘anything goes, it’s in the privacy of my bedroom’ feel if they found out that their 16 year was indulging in extreme BDSM?(emphasis on extreme, since this is what the discussed new law centres on)

 

23.10.2008, 15:13 quote

redelicious
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darkhorse57 wrote:
Just for the sake of argument (or discussion), since the legal age of consent for heterosexual and homosexual activity in the UK is 16, how would people here who have teenagers and who advocate ‘anything goes, it’s in the privacy of my bedroom’ feel if they found out that their 16 year was indulging in extreme BDSM?(emphasis on extreme, since this is what the discussed new law centres on)
I really can't answer this one. It's one of those thinks where you think you know the answer but could react totally differently in the given situation.

As an adult, rather than a parent, I feel perhaps there should be an age limit on this kind of thing. I'd feel inclined to think that only a disturbed 16 year old would indulge in this as most people don't come across extreme love til slighter later years.

I do know that when I found out my youngest was having love not long before she was 16 I decided that the best way forward was to make sure she knew ALL the risks (ie, not just babies)and actually bought her her first condoms.

Children don't turn 16 and overnight discover love, so I think the law whilst a very good thing, doesn't allow for individual maturing.
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23.10.2008, 15:33 quote

darkhorse57

redelicious wrote:


Children don't turn 16 and overnight discover love, so I think the law whilst a very good thing, doesn't allow for individual maturing.


Perhaps that's part of the reasoning behind behind laws like this, which DOES allow for individual maturing. Children also have access to the internet, and also see these extreme pornography images, possibly shaping their sexual proclivities at an early age.

 

23.10.2008, 17:27 quote

politegorilla
politegorilla Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Posts: 444 Location: United Kingdom, England, Berkshire
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redelicious wrote:

As an adult, rather than a parent, I feel perhaps there should be an age limit on this kind of thing. I'd feel inclined to think that only a disturbed 16 year old would indulge in this as most people don't come across extreme love til slighter later years.


The thing is here is that you're doing roughly what the lawmakers have done, distinguishing between "regular" love and "extreme" love. If extreme love is OK then any normal 16-year-old might chose to do it.

I'm happy with outlawing pornography that encourages homicidal behaviour as part of love but as ever the devil is in the detail. Pornography is very hard to legislate for both reliably and accurately.

 
 
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