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10.11.2007, 11:47 quote

CostaCork
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9/11 - An Inside Job

Its fairly clear at this stage that 9/11 was an inside job. But what will happen now, will the powers that be ever be brought to task for what they did. Not only from their actions in the USA but for the rippling effects it had on the world economy throughout the world?

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11.11.2007, 09:39 quote

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Of course they wont, the men behind the curtain (the bankers) will always have the last say. if things start to get out of hand, they can always divert attention by causing another 'terrorist attack' or 'recession'.

Alot of people wont want to believe it, alot of people will blindly believe it and alot of people will simply not look at it because it doesn't have any Hollywood actors in it showing the flesh and doing 'glam' gratifying things such as shooting 100's of baddies but the film zeitgeist can wake alot of people up, its just whether or not they want to be, sometimes ignorance is bliss and education is too much trouble, to have certain truths on your conscience is too much responsibility for some people...
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11.11.2007, 18:46 quote

CostaCork
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scottie69 wrote:
Of course they wont, the men behind the curtain (the bankers) will always have the last say. if things start to get out of hand, they can always divert attention by causing another 'terrorist attack' or 'recession'.


I think you might be right there

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Alot of people wont want to believe it, alot of people will blindly believe it and alot of people will simply not look at it because it doesn't have any Hollywood actors in it showing the flesh and doing 'glam' gratifying things such as shooting 100's of baddies but the film zeitgeist can wake alot of people up, its just whether or not they want to be, sometimes ignorance is bliss and education is too much trouble, to have certain truths on your conscience is too much responsibility for some people...
http://zeitgeistmovie.com/


I think a lot of people just dont have the time either though. And there is complete saturation on the pro 9/11 concept (that it was a terrorist attack)

The Loose Change film has been shown in Italy and is due to be screened in several other European countries in 2008.

 

11.11.2007, 23:58 quote

ChiefOHara
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It's too late for 9/11 to be picked apart properly,

I did a play for college on 9/11 by Michelle Vinevar and when the play was formally discussed and analysed afterwards with the audience the whole damn thing was so politicised it was near impossible to discuss what actually happened. You question anything and the emotional moral majority will jump on you.

The holier than thou brigade has grabbed 9/11 with both hands, and its impossible to say anything without the hear no evil/speak no evil/ see no evil my shite doesn't smell infantry condemning you.

History will acknowledge the 'mistakes', but it won't acknowledge the lies.

 

11.11.2007, 23:59 quote

ChiefOHara
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sorry, i've had a few too many.

 

12.11.2007, 00:05 quote

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History will acknowledge the 'mistakes', but it won't acknowledge the lies.


Isn't it funny how its always said "Lessons have been learned....." yeah right!! All they seem to learn is how better to cover their own asses next time.....

And who said that history is written by the victors?

 

12.11.2007, 19:18 quote

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If it was an inside job how come the passengers on those planes did not return home. I have read all the conspiracy theories and they simple do not stand up. Such the the planes being remote controlled drones, the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon being hit by missilies etc. Every theory put forward by the 9/11 conspiracy theory movement can be debunked. Look out for a book called debunking 9/11 myths. It examines in detail each conspiracy theory and gives detailed scientific answers.
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12.11.2007, 19:58 quote

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Greystone wrote:
If it was an inside job how come the passengers on those planes did not return home.


I dunno, but i bet their loved ones would like to know Sad

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I have read all the conspiracy theories and they simple do not stand up. Such the the planes being remote controlled drones, the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon being hit by missilies etc.


Laughing Bad choice there Greystone, as they have all been proved without doubt to be more than possible but very credible illustrations of what happened and anyone who rationally looks at the facts would agree. Obviously not the missiles hitting the two towers, they were demolished, as clear as day they were demolished.

I said it myself at 2.30 that day, coming back into work after lunch. Theres no way those planes could knock those towers. I said it to one of the guys working in the IT dept. and three years later i worked with him again and we discussed it and he agreed i was right.

Very poor argument put forward there Smile

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Every theory put forward by the 9/11 conspiracy theory movement can be debunked.


Why dont they so?

9 days after Pearl Harbour, 4 indepedent commissions were setup and afforded everything they needed to resolved the whole incident.

414 days after 9/11 one commission was setup and hampered throughout the whole process.

Debunk the theories if they are worried about it.

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Look out for a book called debunking 9/11 myths. It examines in detail each conspiracy theory and gives detailed scientific answers.


That might actually be an interesting read Laughing

Bare in mind, the powers that be HAVE all the information, and other are only going on true positives and false positives. Logical reasoning as to what actually happened. I know people dont like to admit someone made a mug of them but when you get over that and look at the situation you see the stark reality.

To be honest, i WOULD read it just to see the effort they put into it.

 

18.11.2007, 12:07 quote

Greystone
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CostaCork wrote:
Obviously not the missiles hitting the two towers, they were demolished, as clear as day they were demolished.
No the world trade centre buildings were not demolished! They collapsed do to the massive damage and fire caused by being hit by giant jumbo jets full of fuel! Those planes must have weight around 60 tons or more and their impact when hitting the buildings at around 450 miles per hour must have done collosal damage even before the fires broke out.

Those twin towers were not designed to be hit by two 60 ton fuel laden planes traveling at 450 to 500 miles per hour. It is probably impossible to design buldings that can withstand that that type of impact.

Some people just can't seem to understand that on that day 19 Islamic terrorists hijacked four planes and used them as weapons against the USA. The people who keep claiming that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job should try to prove their claims. A couple of years ago Channel 4 took on and debunked every theory put forward by the 9/11 conspiracy movement.

 

20.11.2007, 09:26 quote

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Greystone wrote:
A couple of years ago Channel 4 took on and debunked every theory put forward by the 9/11 conspiracy movement.


Hmm i am sure channel 4 have done some good documentarys in the past but not sure that it as an organization would have the bollocks to prove a conspiracy theory as this as correct...the backlash on its own organization would probably be devestating financially so i wouldnt believe anything any tv station tells me about it, just read the stories of those people who were actually there when it happened.
Same goes for the 7/7 bomb in London, people who were actually there will tell you all wasnt what it seemed like in the news stories.....

http://daniel77witness.blogspot.com/

http://www.the4thbomb.com/

 

20.11.2007, 11:46 quote

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I have to agree that we will never know the 'truth' about what happened on 9-11 or 7-7 what i do know is the offical stories are just that....the stories that those in power want you to belive....NOT the truth

The more i look into it the more i think that we have most definatly NOT been told the truth about those days....And it scares me....

Nothing controls the masses better than fear

The World trade buildings were obvioulsy demolished as was WTC 7 (which wasn't even hit by a plane)

In the whole of 'skyscraper' history no other building has ever burnt for an hour and then 'collapased' down upon themselves in such a controlled manner these are the first three buildings in history to behave like that....

Other skyscrapers have been hit by planes stonecastle.......

Others have burnt for hours or even days......

NONE have fallen before 9-11 NONE does that not set off some alarm bells?

How about the fact that they shipped off all the steel to be melted down as scrap as quickly as possible?....what other evidence at a crime scene would be treated like that?!?
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20.11.2007, 18:43 quote

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scottie69 wrote:
Greystone wrote:
A couple of years ago Channel 4 took on and debunked every theory put forward by the 9/11 conspiracy movement.


Hmm i am sure channel 4 have done some good documentarys in the past but not sure that it as an organization would have the bollocks to prove a conspiracy theory as this as correct...the backlash on its own organization would probably be devestating financially so i wouldnt believe anything any tv station tells me about it, just read the stories of those people who were actually there when it happened.
Same goes for the 7/7 bomb in London, people who were actually there will tell you all wasnt what it seemed like in the news stories.....

http://daniel77witness.blogspot.com/

http://www.the4thbomb.com/


Not that I'm providing any evidence to the contrary but my opinion is that it was not a conspiracy. Or at least, not to the extent a lot of the conspiracy hunters claim. Did you ever think that the people selling all this stuff could just possibly be in it for the money? "DVD available soon", "Buy my book" etc etc?

OK, maybe everything is not as it seems. The biggest thing for me being the Pentagon that smells especially fishy..

Hugglies wrote:

The World trade buildings were obvioulsy demolished as was WTC 7 (which wasn't even hit by a plane)

Other skyscrapers have been hit by planes stonecastle.......

Others have burnt for hours or even days......

NONE have fallen before 9-11 NONE does that not set off some alarm bells?


Granted, history would show this. But how many of the planes that hit buildings in the past had fuel tanks this big full of fuel. Fuel that burns at a ridiculously high temperature compared to the combustible materials found in most modern office blocks? That amount of fuel burning could quite easily cause the steel framework to melt, and hence the building collapsing. With the exception of WTC 7 which is another extremely fishy area, I strongly believe that it is very plausable these buildings collapsed due to the severe weight pushing down on an extremely weakened steel structure.

Again, everything is definately not right with the explanations given, however I don't believe that it is as much of a conspiracy as everyone makes out. However I would still love to see the 100% truth about all of these things. Alas, we never will... Que Sara
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20.11.2007, 22:15 quote

Anonymous

Did you ever think that the people selling all this stuff could just possibly be in it for the money? "DVD available soon", "Buy my book" etc etc?

I'll go with that.....would you like me to prove to you that Elvis *did not die* when they said he did? That it was *not* his body in that coffin? I can, you know!!!

There's been enough books published and lots of money been made on that subject........give it enough time and the whole 9/11 affair will be forgotten in the mists of time and buried under all the other conspiracy crap/world devastation that's going to happen along the way.....and no one will ever know, and few will care.........

 

21.11.2007, 07:47 quote

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kebabman wrote:
Did you ever think that the people selling all this stuff could just possibly be in it for the money? "DVD available soon", "Buy my book" etc etc?


Yeah, that was pretty much my first thought, but not everyone is trying to sell their book or dvd, some people who witnessed it just want a truthful public inquiry and are campaigning for one.
All things considered i wouldn't say i blindly accept the conspiracy theories, but i am much more inclined to believe those people went through it and who lived to tell the tale than a big TV network with everything to gain by quashing such theories.
There are many other websites dedicated to finding the truth about 7/7 and 9/11, as you know, but it just so happens that the ones i chose to post here as an example are ones where the guy has written a book about his experience...if i had experienced that i might write about it as well as it must be a very traumatic experience...

 

21.11.2007, 11:31 quote

Anonymous

I find time and time again in cases like this that the people who are *not* trying to flog you their book about it.......are the ones who lost loved ones and are trying to cope with their grief and makes sense of the tragedy of it all.
To lose a loved one - and have a simple clear cut "This is what happened, and why" doesn't make the pain go away or stop you continuing to think deeper and deeper, which inevitable leads to conspiracy/cover up thoughts and ideas.
Having a simple answer doesn't make you think "oh, that's ok then" - it makes you think "But, what if......"
The whole grief process includes involving shock, anger, denial and finally acceptance.
I just think when tragedy occurs on such a monumental scale for so many people the final "acceptance" part never really happens.

 
 
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