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05.08.2009, 21:19 quote

themanwhoknew
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I'm going to assume most of you are knowledgeable people. The loosely used term of "love" is thrown around so often I'm going to attempt to explain it through evolutionary means.

Before explaining it we need a base line definition to work from.

The dictionary describes love as:
A feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.

Sexual passion or desire.


The latter can easily be explained. No love + no children = Extinction. We're hard wired for sexual activities for progression and development of the species.

The former on the other hand, is a little more difficult. It appears to be focusing more on the psychological aspect.

This can possibly be explained through naturally occurring morals. Basically if every member of a species wildly killed each other, the species would not thrive. When feasting piranhas will devour flesh but rarely attack each other.

Many species have a bond to their offspring. This can be traced back to the dinosaurs.

Some species of spider will allow their offspring to feed on the parent to ensure a higher likelihood or survival.

Remarkably, some members of Crocodilia after their young are abandoned at an early age if other members of that same species thinks they're in distress they will come to the rescue.

In species that require nurture, having a psychological or biological bond will have a higher likelihood of surviving and the parent passing on it's experience to the offspring.

Affection towards another could refer more to the second definition. But having a positive attitude towards others can possibly ensure a more stable society and thus, forwarding the species further.

So if I'm right, the conclusion is you will feel 'love' to maintain the species in the struggle for survival.

Most animals will kill so they can pass on their genes. Apparently we've adapted this quality to mere social status.

I wont refer to independent, differentiating social structures, physical and/or emotional preferences etc. Let's keep it simplistic.

 

05.08.2009, 23:07 quote

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Interesting read, were you bored ?
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06.08.2009, 08:40 quote

handsel
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themanwhoknew wrote:

... Basically if every member of a species wildly killed each other, the species would not thrive.

Basically if every member of a species wildly shagged each other, the species would thrive. But would expand to fill its habitat and would soon consume everything that would sustain it. Only wars, disease and starvaion could control it.

Logically there has to be a balance between the killing and the shagging, for the survival of a species.
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07.08.2009, 20:22 quote

themanwhoknew
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[quote="handsel"]

themanwhoknew wrote:

Logically there has to be a balance between the killing and the shagging, for the survival of a species.



You're forgetting predatory food chain and the current environment.

Many creatures do not need wars. Gorilla's have their own territories yet if you come close they will act in what appears to be an aggressive manner to tell you to back off (showing teeth, stomping the ground etc). It's not an act of violence but a mere warning. One of our closest relatives are actually very peaceful.

However bottlenose dolphins have been known to violently attack porpoises. But the obvious answers (territory disputes and lacking in sustenance) do not fit the findings.

You're also missing out migrations and natural selection.

If groups migrate, they can find food elsewhere.

Natural selection simply means when a mutation is beneficial based on the environment. If they have a mutation which causes them to eat a food they would not normally eat but is in abundance, they will have a higher likelihood of passing on their genes while those without the mutation will have a less likelihood.

Welcome to the food chain.

 

07.08.2009, 22:37 quote

s6boystu
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You say many creatures don't need wars.

no-one NEEDS war. !! Confused

Every type of creature on this planet will fight though - whether it's defending its 'home' or protecting its family.

I also think you have confused the definition of Natural selection. I think instead what you are refering to is evolution. Natural selection would lean more towards survival of the fittest.

However that is just my opinion on the above and i welcome your reply !
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08.08.2009, 22:20 quote

themanwhoknew
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s6boystu wrote:

However that is just my opinion on the above and i welcome your reply !


I try not to say 'all'. It leaves no wiggle room.

Anyway, back to the point.

Natural selection is a part of Evolution. Evolution basically means genetic change over time. Decent with variation if you want the technical jargon.

Natural selection happens when creatures mutate. If the mutation is beneficial based on the environment the creature will have a higher likelihood of passing on it's genes and passing on the helpful mutation.

Then there's gene drift, gene flow, migration etc.

 

09.08.2009, 16:40 quote

s6boystu
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dude.. none of us said 'all' Confused
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If there really is to be a soul mate out there, I think your soul mates are those people who make you feel at home, wherever you are. That hearing their voices and knowing they're close to you (even if in thought) makes you feel at ease.

 

09.08.2009, 17:48 quote

xboobytubeyx

love is..

when your partner farts in bed, and you still don't kick them out.

thats true love right there.

 

09.08.2009, 22:32 quote

sc0ttie

All this talk of genetics and evolution....does it actually make you any better at relationships? It is one thing to know the past and the bigger picture but it doesn't mean shit if you don't know how to relate to yourself and the person you are in love with, on an everyday basis, does it?

 

10.08.2009, 01:32 quote

bliss23

You people are so cuckoo.

1. Why would you wanna be better at relationships when there's so much hypotethical mumbo jumbo to talk about? lol

2. Natural selection is indeed what Stu said. But the sick aren't left to die in this world. Otherwise we'd be much less. =))))))))) YA KNOW???

3. This man sort of has a point, but he's discovering hot water. So themanwhoknew, knows not much more than we all do. =)))) Tell us the cure for death, precious. =)

4. As for the love and the fart... You don't need love for that. If it's unintentional then it's part of this fucking thing we call human nature. If it's intentional and repeated over and over again, then you should kick the mother fucker asap, as much as you fucking love him. =)) Put a screwdriver thru his head, don't be shy. =))) Be positive. Razz NEVER GO DOWN THAT PATH. YOU CAN NEVER RETURN.

 

11.08.2009, 22:13 quote

s6boystu
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I actually agree with Bliss on #4 !! well maybe not the screwdriver bit, but the rest makes sense !!
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23.11.2009, 18:17 quote

themanwhoknew
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Bliss23 wrote:
You people are so cuckoo.
Tell us the cure for death, precious. =)


Perfectly self replicating cells with no degradation or mutation.

But for sustaining life, that's still down to cell replication. If humans cut the calories by 30% with no excessive physical activities, it causes the cells to slow down replication. If they slow replication, they don't degrade. This is of course assuming people don't smoke, eat junk food etc. When they do, it speeds up cell replication.

 

23.11.2009, 22:54 quote

tryst46

themanwhoknew wrote:
Bliss23 wrote:
You people are so cuckoo.
Tell us the cure for death, precious. =)


Perfectly self replicating cells with no degradation or mutation.

The degradation is in the DNA and not the cells. Each new DNA strand that is duplicated is missing a few receptors. This, in turn causes a deformity in the cells. The deformity eventually becomes so severe that the body can no longer function. This is one reason why Cloned creatures would have a shorter lifespan if cloned from an adult DNA.

Our bodies are designed to self destruct. Unless you can figure how to get the body to create perfect DNA strands with no loss in the number of receptors, the body will always self destruct.

There are also so many other factors that accelerate the replication process that are beyond our ability to control.

Healthier eating may add a few weeks to your life at best. Taking away the weight factor and consequently, the strain on the heart, eating healthy food has a very marginal effect on the metabolism. Ref: New scientist magazine 1988.

Apart from the chemical preservatives that are put in food now and Boron radiation to make it last longer, even in the "healthy food", feeling fitter etc by eating a diet that is supposedly more healthy is as much psychological as factual. Most of the damage is caused by the large amount of chemicals and radiation in our food.

 

23.11.2009, 23:22 quote

missjb

xboobytubeyx wrote:
love is..

when your partner farts in bed, and you still don't kick them out.

thats true love right there.


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Love it! Does that count for women then? ha ha!

 

25.11.2009, 17:18 quote

handsel
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Of course, of course! A fundamental right for women!

The rights campaigned for by the Suffragette Movement, for example property, voting, etc, were just a mask to get that one great freedom.
The conventions of that time didn’t even allow them to mention it: ladies couldn’t talk about it to anyone, except maybe their doctors.

The UN Convention allowing parity or equality in farting reads (in part):
Any distinction, exclusion or restriction made on the basis of love which has the effect or purpose of impairing or nullifying the recognition, enjoyment or exercise by women, irrespective of their marital status, on a basis of equality of men and women, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, civil or any other field.

But – as you can no doubt see – even today with all our advances and advantages, it had to be hidden away in the terms ‘fundamental freedoms’ and ‘any other field’.
(The fundament being the buttocks or anus and ‘any other field’ being a coy way of saying ‘in bed’. Razz )
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