Here is the programme here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYn4-h3Cnk
if anyone didn't see it.

I think that the methods given by the two American tutors are among the worst. They advocate the direct approach which is nerve wracking as hell for the shy and makes them look rather stupid if it fails.

As regulars on this forum will know I often try to pick up women strangers as well. But I use a more indirect, subtle approach. Instead of going steaming in with a wide smile and saying hello to a complete stranger. I take it slow. I will usually sit near a woman, not say anything for the first few minutes so that they get used to my presence then carefully make the first move. Usually a benign comment about the weather or something relevent to the current situation. Then move it to the next level if all goes well. If the woman doesn't want to talk then I can walk away and I haven't made a fool of myself because I only mentioned something benign. I think I could give these two so called experts a few tips.

Personally I'd be kinda creeped out if someone sat nearby not saying anything and then suddenly asks about the weather! But then again, I think oddly That video is tooooooooo long so I might watch it later

ok i watched one episode and went out and met someone and she we going out with me in a few hours and i dont no if it had anything to do witt that program.

Living in London that programme has taught me that there are a few places to meet women I would not have thought of such as Greenwich Sunday Market, the riverside pubs in Hammersmith. I have visited a couple of those locations over the past few days and got talking to a couple of women near those riverside pubs in Hammersmith. It wasn't very busy as I went there in the middle of a week day but I tried to talk to two women there. Managed to get a brief conversation out of a good looking redhead sitting on a bench. She had a pram with her so I suppose she was attached but I chatted to her for practice. Tried to get chatting to two women sitting outside a pub but failed so moved on. Maybe I will try that location when it is busier at the weekend. Can't wait to try Greenwich Sunday market.

Today I had two very brief chats with two women in a large bookstore in Piccadilly. But they had to go quickly so I didn't get anywhere.

I noticed in that documentary that two of those men finally had success in bars, so maybe the conclusion is that bars are the best places to pull. The only problem for me is at 40 there are hardly any women of my age group in them. When I was much younger I think I always used to fuck up my approaches to women in bars. I was always lost for words or else came out with something crap. Having watched this programme if I could go back in time 25 years I think I would do a bit better.

I don't think you can teach seduction.

The only people who might feel they'd benefit from a programme like this would be (and I mean no offense) those who are not very confident approaching women.

Thing is if you're not a confident person you'll find it very difficult to seduce any women anyway, and I don't believe a programme could instill confidence in someone who lacked it.

Seduction is never linear. Obviously, different things appeal to different women and so naturally you'd need a certain amount of "trial and error" and various techniques of seducing.

Besides which, seduction is a vibe, and impossible to predict. I'm gonna watch this thing now and see.

I've never had much time for tutorials on love and dating or approaching women. I read one once and laughed.

If a guy wants help in attracting or chatting to women the best advice -I- could personally suggest would be to work on their own confidence.

Always have:

-Good personal hygiene. If you smoke, keep mints on you for gods sake.
-Smell fantastic (don't be afraid to try different EXPENSIVE aftershaves and ask womens opinion. Sometimes this is actually a fantastic way of striking up a conversation with a stranger in a bar or while out shopping. Just make it genuine and listen to her answer).
-Dress well. Find clothes that suit you. Colour co-ordinate and feel comfortable in them.
Avoid cliche cnversation starters. Weather, News, Sport. Find something to start a conversation that will last but is new, suchas her opinion on something.

That's a good sensible base to build on. The 1st obvious factor in seduction is confidence, and you won't have that unless you feel great and know you look it and smell it. She'll feel it and there's your starting point.

The rest you really do need to just find in yourself. Books confuse people, you ask too many questions of yourself, men fall back on them as a step by step guide and become odd robots who aren't in the moment. That's when she loses interest.

There's my 2 cents anyway.
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