A serious question for you now Greystone, have you got any female FRIENDS?
The reason I ask this is because you could ask them how they feel about the 'pickup scene/community' or what-ever you call it.
I know that I joke around a bit, but you seriously cannot expect to get any other response on a message board which is openly for men and women.
I think the sort of thing that you want to talk about is something for a dedicated forum for just men.
Also, I know that it is probably not that way at all, but you make it sound like your life is entirely dedicated to trapping yourself some unsuspecting female, which IS kinda creepy........

Has anyone else noticed how Grey dismisses any advice given by women?? He doesn't comment on it all. Very strange.

I'm bored with all this now, I give up......

[quote="Greystone"]

That is because you have never met a master pick up artist.


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ACtually I have to correct you there my dear - No man has ever...et cetera et cetera BECAUSE I DONT WANT THEM TO. Simple As.
My personal belief is that I have never, and will never, be that intimate with *any* man unless we are deadly serious about each other........even my husband had to wait til I was ready and willing.
Perhaps you would have understood that I am in control of what happens to my body, not some darn Pick Up Artist, if I told you that I CHOOSE to wait longer than 7-10 hours of yap over 2-3 days ALWAYS.
Next you'll have me believe this Mystery could talk/charm the knickers off mother theresa if he wanted to???!!!!

PS thanks for the laugh anyway, I nearly fell off the chair.

A high value woman is not unlike a high value man:
Intelligent
Emotionally mature
Not needy
Has a sense of humour
Self aware
Attractive

Ah, you've answered my next question - obviously from what you've just said, it's only "low value" men who are PUAs in that case.

I would also say that that is extremely insulting to women who are maybe not so intelligent, lack a certain emotional maturity, are a little 'needy', don't share *your* sense of humour, don't have a strong sense of self-awareness and aren't 'attractive' in *your* eyes - these people (both male and female) want, and deserve, someone to love and want them in this world.
But that's not about this PUA thang is it.

I also question your suggestion that people who 'calim to understand basic psychology' don't understand the larger dynamics at play'.
Many a book has been written by *leading psychologists* on this subject for the last 100 years.
It might be 'generally understood' by *you* that women have the upper hand in the dating game - I - and alot of well-respected psychologists, and no doubt some men on this website - don't agree with that.

And let us not forget another important factor - the population of the seduction community is FACTUALLY a very minor percentage of the whole male population - and the majority of non-PUAs are either married or at the very least getting a regular legover without the need to learn 'techniques' from Mystery.
Men are just as capable of "choosing" who they date, not just women and I think it's an insult to alot of men to suggest otherwise.

I still stand by what I've said all along - the men who follow Mystery have low-self-esteem, lack self-awareness or even awareness of others ie lack the ability to pick up social clues per se, and this Mystery guy and others like him have simply taken advantage of them to make himself a few quid.

PS And what's a "low status" woman?

"Techniques are merely designed to attempt to break down the many walls that women have developed",

Err, I just re-read that bit.

Umm, maybe a woman has developed said walls to keep PUAs at bay? What you are saying is "I want that woman and I'm going to have her, regardless of her opinions/choices/feelings/whether or not she is attracted to me or not - I WILL break down her barriers and get in her knickers!!".

Charmed, I'm sure.
So nice to know that a PUA would value me so highly........not - and thinks his 'techniques' for totally ignoring my boundaries is more important than I am. Wow, that's really valuing a person

An interesting reply. I had hoped you would 'bother' to answer simply cuz I asked nicely, and I am genuinely interested.
I've read extensively Mystery's teachings, books, literature and videos on the web.
It occurred to me that you might have chosen your profile photo because Mystery says "present yourself as the strong, 'must have' hunter-gatherer so that when a woman sees the other ladies draped over your arm she will see that you are desirable and will want you for herself". Something along those lines --- so out of idle curiosity, have you been inundated with messages on this board by ladies dying to meet you?
I am not in any way being facetious or dissing you, I am genuinely interested because I did firstly chalk you up as a PUA/seduction community advocater, but now I am not so sure?
One of the reasons why I disagree with Mystery is because more and more in this day and age women want to be interacted with by men as equals, not a possible conquest.
Mystery's take on the psychology of 'the game of life' is from the 1950s, not modern times.