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16.03.2008, 03:30 quote

lilacrose

How do you know he is a "known" pedophile?
The guy hasn't been tried yet.....oh sorry yes he has....by you!
Even if this guy has a previous conviction...do you actually know *factually* what for? And just because he's not been perfect in the past don't mean he's guilty now.
I've known guys to be put inside and on the SOR for being with his 15yrs old girlfriend who told him she was 18....not everyone is an evil kiddyfiddler just because the cops kicked his door down you know....or just because he talks gibberish sometimes....blimey, we all do that at times -- don't we, Ashbeloved???
I am glad I don't live near you, if you believe every snifter of gossip that rumbles past you and you pass it on with such glee.

 

16.03.2008, 04:08 quote

lilacrose

No. I am defending his right to be treated as innocent until proven otherwise - by a fair trial, in a courtroom with judge and jury. Not by you and your rubber-necking neighbors twitching at your windows.
I think REAL AND PROVEN child abusers should have much harsher sentences than they do, but if and only if the courts find them guilty.

You posted this in the correct forum anyway.

 

16.03.2008, 10:16 quote

lilacrose

Ashbelove - let me tell you two stories:

1. About 18 months ago, a lad I knew was murdered. He was forced to wear a dog collar, bark then he was pushed off the viaduct and fell to his death. His murderers walked away laughing. This is what they admitted to doing, in court. His crime? He wasn't a terribly bright lad, and lived with his carer. Some teenagers had been taunting him for weeks, calling him names, eventually they came up with "pedophile" because that seems to be the buzzword these days thats gets people's attention. In court the killers admitted they had never had any reason to believe the accusations to be true (in fact, there never had been any reason whatsoever to think it) but they were drunk and high on drugs......that was their excuse for murdering a 23 yrs old and devastating his family.

2. Some years ago, my (now ex) husband caught a neighbor stealing our boat, the police were called and the guy was charged. When he came back from court, he shouted across the street at us "There's the pedophile" (???) Have you ever seen a 50 yrs old man hide in his own home and sob like a baby for the shame and injustice? Our son was beaten up at school for having a "pedo" dad..........all because he caught the guy stealing our boat and the guy wanted to get his own back!
Gossip, conjecture, chinese whispers, vigilante-ism RUINS lives and destroys people.

Even if that neighbor of yours turns out to be all that you imagine him to be - how much better a person are you, enjoying the 'excitement' of it all?

Please, dont do it. Relishing juicy gossip is not right.

Oh, and Hi alaximander!

 

16.03.2008, 11:37 quote

Anonymous

Calm down girl please.

With that I mean everyone........

 

16.03.2008, 11:43 quote

Anonymous

megalone wrote:
Calm down girl please.

With that I mean everyone........



On a serious note, I used to live on an estate where there was a guy who looked in every way what your mind would imagine a pedo to look like.
This man had his windows put through, was abused in the street, and I finally had to stop someone from petrol bombing his house.
It turns out that the guy wasn't a kiddie-fiddler at all, a full-on funny-bunny definately, but not into kids.
Now whenever I think about this guy, all I feel is shame as it is sad how someone can be so unfairly treated by others without fair trial.

On this occasion though, it does sound like there may be some truth to the accusations, bearing in mind the police are full-on involved, so perhaps it is better to with-hold any personal judgements until a later date.

As far as sticking up for sickos like that, I seriously doubt that anyone on here condones that sort of behaviour at all, I don't even tell jokes about that sort of stuff so it GOT to be offensive........

Wink

 

16.03.2008, 12:02 quote

lilacrose

Oh so he's not actually been found guilty of anything yet then? Otherwise he'd be behind bars before now, eh?
As I said before, I am *not* passing judgment either way, I am just saying the guy has a right to a fair trial, in court, and until the police actually have *real* evidence he has the right to not be gossipped about and his guilt assumed.....and yes i said the same thing about Gary Glitter at the time before he went to trial. I would defend anybody that right.
But please note, I also said here that I think convicted love offenders get let off too light, and that includes GG.
Judge not, for thee may be judged.....reading back on some of your other posts on here Ashbelove, if there was a love crime near you, it wouldn't take the police long to quote you off here and make it look as if you might be a suspect.......Now i am not saying you would be that way inclined, I am just saying it's all too easy for others to 'interpret' what they want to suit their own gossipy minds.....I have the quran on my bookcase, I talk to myself sometimes, I am a loner with few friends....does that make me a terrorist suicide bomber? No of course not, no more than your fantasies posted here make you another gary glitter! BUT, the police - and my neighbors - might not see it that way if they had a mind to make me 'fit the bill'.

 

16.03.2008, 12:04 quote

Anonymous

No-one likes kiddie-fiddlers, probably not even themselves.......
And I know how easy it is to join the angry mob, it is just a case of sitting down for just 5 minutes and thinking, well, what if he IS innocent?
Think of the consequences, and how it will effect probably the rest of his life.

But then, it is not like you gave his address, or posted a picture of him though is it?

 

16.03.2008, 12:17 quote

Anonymous

lilacrose wrote:
I have the quran on my bookcase, I talk to myself sometimes, I am a loner with few friends....does that make me a terrorist suicide bomber?


Hmmmm. I dunno, if you came running at me with a back-pack on singing Allah Akbar, I'd run for the hills...........

Prevention is better than the cure....
(Hey, I might put that in the Thought of the day thread.........)

 

16.03.2008, 12:28 quote

lilacrose

ashbelove67 wrote:
s6boystu wrote:
megalone wrote:
No-one likes kiddie-fiddlers, probably not even themselves.......
And I know how easy it is to join the angry mob, it is just a case of sitting down for just 5 minutes and thinking, well, what if he IS innocent?
Think of the consequences, and how it will effect probably the rest of his life.




well said... to quote a film (under seige 2 i think it was)


Quote:
assumption, is the mother of all f**k ups.


If it turns out the police have the wrong person, are you going to knock on his door and appologise ? (if the police fixed it like)

Innocent until PROVEN guilty, not what ever tittle tattle the local nosey b***ards decided was true.


Are you kidding? 7 to 8 times in row the coppers have done this, yes within the last 4 years. I’ve only lived in the area for 2 months now and now there’s this, shit at night-time.



That's why I said (I quote):
"Oh so he's not actually been found guilty of anything yet then? Otherwise he'd be behind bars before now, eh?"

And as for "I wouldn't stoop so low....".....again, you don't really read replies to your posts here, do you? I've already said as much. Rolling Eyes

If you absorb the reality of as much of what you hear as that you read, that explains your opening post.

 

16.03.2008, 18:38 quote

lilacrose

Slander is spoken, libel is written. But he never gave details of the guy's identitiy, so I guess that leaves him free to say whatever. After all, ashbelove has just as much right to his 'take' on the subject as the rest of us. Most of us just dont happen to agree.
I wouldn't like to see this thread locked just because it is a sensitive issue, I for one find it an interesting topic - as long as summat is debated fairly and within the houserules, I dont think any subject should be off-limits.

 

16.03.2008, 19:26 quote

lilacrose

tzazo wrote:
Interesting?
in what way exactly is the arrest of a pedophile interesting beyond the recognition the police are doing their job?


Sorry, you've misunderstood my intention. I just meant as any topic on these forums, yes i've found it interesting to read everyone else's thoughts on the matter.
The subject, specifically, should probably not have been raised in the first place - for the very reasons you imply above - but it was, so why not discuss how we all feel about the subject?

If I was interested in it from a gossippy side, I would have possibly asked who?where?when? and want to know further all the juicy details from ashbelove's window.
But I did not, I asked him to consider the facts before jumping to conclusions.
*That* is what we've been discussing, the merits (or not) of judging a person without due thought.

And I could take it further there and say that you are also implying that you too have already condemned the man as guilty, judging from the quote above.... Razz

 

17.03.2008, 15:28 quote

lilacrose

Two summers ago, my (then) 18 yrs old son was staying with me here in hampshire. He lived with his dad in a small cornish village then.
One day, the police came knocking on his dad's door, they had come to take Steve to the police station for questioning - someone had identified him by name that they had witnessed him put his hand into an open car window and steal a mobile phone.....when his dad explained he was in hampshire with me, the copper said he wasnt in the least bit surprised cuz he knew Steve himself to be a very honest lad (known him all his life).
Well, this copper had a big booming voice on the doorstep, so the neighbors hear everything - yes?
A few days later, my ex is in the local shop buying a paper when the shopkeeper goes "I hear your lad got arrested for burglary - who's house did he rob?"

What I am saying is, mud sticks....the bush telegraph is a very dodgy thing.

Oh and although the guy in the original post had his door kicked in several times, my ex is friends with a local copper, and he gets LOTS of visits and some neighbors think he's a 'problem'.
When we first moved there, my ex had to let the police know he has guns in the house, so within the first few weeks we had the coppers round many, many times. Not kicking the door in of course, but sometimes very late at night (on account one of them was a mate, and he'd call in and stay awhile).....yeah, from day one people thought we were "No good" and had a lot of nasty whispering going on.
And yes redelicious, sadly you are right. My eldest boy has mental health problems (but he's NEVER a problem to anyone else) and can look bizarre when he's not well walking around Asda 6'6" tall, huge ginger bushy unkempt beard, dirty clothes, talking to himself......yeah on his bad days he looks 'odd'.......when there's trouble, guess who gets the finger pointed at him? Yet he has never, ever done anything wrong.

 
 
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