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04.06.2006, 13:06 quote

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Hollywood just cash in on the most popular character without giving the other a chance! thats why the comics will always be more sucessful, such a variety of well developed characters!

 

04.06.2006, 13:49 quote

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Kimberley88 wrote:
Hollywood just cash in on the most popular character without giving the other a chance! thats why the comics will always be more sucessful, such a variety of well developed characters!


Gambit was more popular than Wolverine, yet he never makes an appearance in the movies.

That was always the problem I had with them, he was bloody marvellous.

 

04.06.2006, 14:56 quote

Ryts8
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Gambit was not more popular than Wolverine, Which is why Wolverine appears in every xman line up, New Avengers, has two ongoing solo series. Gambit has had two ongoing series both of which have been cancelled. Not that i dislike Gambit on the contrary I think he is great.

But digression aside there, the problem that will always be faced in a team movie is the amount of time they can put to character development.

They would not have done Gambit justice i don't think. I remember hearing rumours of Van Damme playing him at one point *shudders*

 

04.06.2006, 14:59 quote

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Ryts8 wrote:
Gambit was not more popular than Wolverine, Which is why Wolverine appears in every xman line up, New Avengers, has two ongoing solo series. Gambit has had two ongoing series both of which have been cancelled. Not that i dislike Gambit on the contrary I think he is great.

But digression aside there, the problem that will always be faced in a team movie is the amount of time they can put to character development.

They would not have done Gambit justice i don't think. I remember hearing rumours of Van Damme playing him at one point *shudders*


I'd disagree over his popularity - but I agree that he'd be wasted in the format these movies took.

I think they should have been more in keeping with the animated series. Admittedly telling those stories would have been impossible, but the filmed needed to be "adapted for all audiences" which alienated a lot of hardcore fans.

 

04.06.2006, 15:03 quote

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Swiss Rebel wrote:
I'd disagree over his popularity - but I agree that he'd be wasted in the format these movies took.


Disagree because it is your opinion or because the figures back you up Wink

Besides the animated series didn't really work for me either. Look what they did with Colossus!

Considering the medium they were using to tell there story they did a fairly good job. Of course people will always say: well they missed out so and so or they did a bad job adapting this character (which I have said and done before) but it still is a good comic book film.

At least it wasn't another Spawn or Judge Dredd

 

04.06.2006, 15:12 quote

Anonymous

I have to admit the reason why i felt so let down would have been because of my love of the books.
you say look what they did to Colossus in the TV stuff, at least they did something with him!!
just think of the film and see just HOW under developed the characters are.

i have to admit im a bigger fan of Gambit than wolverine, but hey, im just one person!

i also agree witht he 'alienation' of hardcore fans, and lets face it, theres alot of them!

I did, however, love the first movie in those terms (sticking to the books) and even though the second deviated from the comics i loved that one too!
which just shows how disasterous the third one was Razz

 

04.06.2006, 15:14 quote

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Ryts8 wrote:
Swiss Rebel wrote:
I'd disagree over his popularity - but I agree that he'd be wasted in the format these movies took.


Disagree because it is your opinion or because the figures back you up Wink

Besides the animated series didn't really work for me either. Look what they did with Colossus!

Considering the medium they were using to tell there story they did a fairly good job. Of course people will always say: well they missed out so and so or they did a bad job adapting this character (which I have said and done before) but it still is a good comic book film.

At least it wasn't another Spawn or Judge Dredd


Well sales statistics are hardly a judgement call on the community - there was massive outcry about Gambit missing from the films, and Wolverine always got better stories anyway. It's debatable that either of them were really any good anyway - I was always a bigger fan of the bad guys, and obviously i'm biased because I did like Gambit.

I think it was because Wolverine was more of a mainstream character to the public - he's the one most "non-fans" would associate with x-men, along with Cyclops. Who, I might add - was the worst character conversion from comic-to-film.

On your last point - Spawn was certainly better than Judge Dredd though, but that's hardly a compliment Very Happy

 

04.06.2006, 15:18 quote

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I think it was because Wolverine was more of a mainstream character to the public - he's the one most "non-fans" would associate with x-men, along with Cyclops


very good point. fans of the comics tended to have other favourates, i say 'tended'.

Gambit only seemed to get storylines revolving around Rogue or Sinister! poor guy, he could have been put to much better use!!

 

04.06.2006, 15:21 quote

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See, I really didn't like Rogue in the movies. At all.

She was the one the kids were apparently supposed to "associate with" in the films. That butchered her character for me.

Obviously, just my opinion Very Happy

 

04.06.2006, 15:21 quote

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I am also a big fan of the books. However I never expected them to make a direct comic to film adaptation. The sheer level of continuity they would need to explain makes it implausible. As for the cartoon doing something with Colussus - he was in one episode, and that was a fairly poor one.

swissrebel wrote:
Well sales statistics are hardly a judgement call on the community

Of course it is! If Gambit was more popular then he would have more sales than Wolverine. Or are you saying that people like Gambit more but prefer to buy the Wolverine comic instead?

As for Cyclops being worst character conversion that isn't fair. Cyclops is the worst Xman in the comics and low and behold in the films... Razz

 

04.06.2006, 15:25 quote

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Ryts8 wrote:
I am also a big fan of the books. However I never expected them to make a direct comic to film adaptation. The sheer level of continuity they would need to explain makes it implausible. As for the cartoon doing something with Colussus - he was in one episode, and that was a fairly poor one.

swissrebel wrote:
Well sales statistics are hardly a judgement call on the community

Of course it is! If Gambit was more popular then he would have more sales than Wolverine. Or are you saying that people like Gambit more but prefer to buy the Wolverine comic instead?

As for Cyclops being worst character conversion that isn't fair. Cyclops is the worst Xman in the comics and low and behold in the films... Razz


Yeah, sales statistics can be misleading - they're never an accurate representation, some people will fanatically buy the comics no matter what, other's will buy just what's out at the moment. Wolverine's stories were always more mainstream for most part-time fans, his character was easier for people to pick up.

And as for wolverine in the animated series? Come oooon Very Happy

This is probably the worst place to discuss it though, it seems there's only about 4 of us who actually read the comics Very Happy

 

04.06.2006, 15:26 quote

Anonymous

What they did to Rogue in the films was a crime. there was barely anything that remotely connected her to the comic Rogue, bar her powers and slightly her relationship with wolverine.

X-men evolution i found was quite good, a bit 'kiddy' you could say but i loved it! it did sometimes veer off track from the regular x-men storylines but even the comics all have seperate titles and often dont follow eachother!

 

04.06.2006, 15:35 quote

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Yeah Wolverine in the animated series was alright. He acted tough but kept getting beat up, just like in the comics Razz

And yes Rogue was bad. She needed more Southern spunk like in the comics.

X-Men Evolution was funny. I enjoyed watching it when it was on.

 

04.06.2006, 15:36 quote

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Ryts8 wrote:
Yeah Wolverine in the animated series was alright. He acted tough but kept getting beat up, just like in the comics Razz

And yes Rogue was bad. She needed more Southern spunk like in the comics.

X-Men Evolution was funny. I enjoyed watching it when it was on.


It'd have helped if she could fly. I heard something about them flying in the third film?

 

04.06.2006, 15:37 quote

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She would have needed to have stolen someones powers or deviated from the comic more by giving her more powers Wink

 
 
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