I have ben here ages and never seem to find a serious relationship plenty of friends and the odd 1 nighter is all i ever seem to find !!!

you haven't been here ages

If all you've managed is a 1 nighter, then i'd say your 'selling' yourself wrong.
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I warned my mate that these type websites are not as good as people seem to think when they first come on here. Main reason is too many people that are not strictly honest, and not enough women.

Although most are honest, there are some that exagerate themselves, which makes it hard for the more honest people.

I warned him that you probably wont be able to attract the same kind of women you can in real life, and he has found out the hard way. I also told him that I've known a lot of women seem to think a Brad Pitt is going to sweep them off their feet, and that doesnt happen.

Also the concept of 'Friends' is a bit subjective, and not always to be taken seriously. Friends is sometimes overused, and sometimes should be taken with a pinch of salt.

In saying that, I have known it to work for a few people and some happy relationships and marraiges have resulted. But they are mainly people that have been on these sites for years. But it is very hit and miss.

In my opinion, people [women] put too much thought and bounderies on who they meet. Also too much emphasis is put on pics.
Basically if you chat to someone you get on with, you should maybe think about meeting them within two weeks...you might be surprised.

There is not enough dating going on

I love it when I can meet somebody within the first few weeks from our first message..... but somebody has to say let's meet ....? whenever...
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When you've tried it for 13 years you'll know if you've been unlucky...

I think you can try too hard, and some do on the net.

Personally I think net dating is much more fickle then real life. It works for some and not for others. I've met a lot of people who have a lot of attention on the net..and it doesnt materalise in real life...for all sorts of reasons.

You have to beware that these sites dont take over your life.

There's also the fact that the women here have their pick, really. For every one of them, there's probably about 10/20 men to choose from. So you have to put up a really good fight if you want to be noticed.

To meet these ends, I'm wavering on whether to introduce a fleet of hawk swoopers to my arsenal, along with the death pies and the likes. It could be that one final piece of the jigsaw.

But don't be too disheartened. Follow the usual rules, such as make every message personal, make your profile interesting and leave it full of conversational starters. And try not to mention your penis. Unless they like that. But if they start a message saying "Hello brain, how's it hanging?" then I don't think they'll be after a relationship. Unless your name is brain. And you're a professional climber.

And remember:

It doesn't matter how you look.
Nor what car you drive.
Nor what your income is.
Nor your religion, nor age, nor demographic, nor status is in society.

As my granddaddy always used to say --- to a woman, none of those thing matter.

It's simply down to the size of what you've got down the front of your pants...

That's what counts...!

unfortunately, men are very visual and if you're not brand spankin' new and shiney, they move on quickly. it's easy to SAY you only care about what's on the inside, but actions speak so loudly.

As per my post way up before my prior one, make that 14 years now...!

Most people using the web to find a serious relationship are on the subscription sites. I'm not saying there arn't those types on here; but with the previously discussed lopsided male to female ratio - you're talking about a further diminishing ratio. So it's slither off a already small slice of pie (if you imagine a themed pie chart infographic)
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