sorry another question, why is it mean seem to have to make the first move? in odays world we are equal in almost everything and hopefully the rest will fall in line why is it men seem to have to make the first move? or am i so wrong that its not even funny?

No its true in "todays world" the woman wants, (and invariably gets) everything, so she wants the expensive cars, the well paid jobs with massive status, she wants the man to stay at home and look after the kids, she also wants the man to think more like her etc etc, she also wants to be a woman though, she wants to be "old fashioned" in playing the game, so she wants doors opened for her, she wants him to offer to pay the bill, she wants to be bought a drink and to be approached first. (wont go further, this could be in a thread of its own)

Mind you men, as a rule, have always made the first move, so i recon its universally excpected and accepted above all else.
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Maybe women are more afraid of rejection. I am used to it now so it's water off a duck's back. I never get used to the slaps though..they really hurt.

Aye but that's all part of the game...