does amaze me everytime i topic slides off on a tangent

that said, i dont mind it in the least, it's like everyday banter and i get a good laugh out of it

coming back to the topic, i'd say the answer was neither.

diplomatic, you say?

not really, no one wants a saint - and i'm sure you girls have been with quite a few demons as well. how you see someone is based on your perception.

a certain lady may feel the need of "reforming" the bastard into a nice person but instances show that never happens - onward comes a vicious circle that ends up in victimisation, loss of self confidence and we dont need to say what becomes of self esteem do we?

on the flipside, certain ladies claim to want "a nice, honest, caring guy" (a generalisation i think) to which there is some duality. you want a nice honest caring guy on your terms - not to say that is wrong since it comes down to preferences and the like - just that in what you think is nice, honest and caring may differ from someone else's nice, honest and caring.

i had a friend once who kept wanting what she called the nice guy. she wanted a guy who was nice yet naughty, sweet yet spicy, caring yet not clingy, and so on. in other words she wanted a nice guy, who could be a bad boy at times. she's still single btw - mainly because of her long list of expectations out of her ideal man.

which brings to conlusion. there is no ideal man - the only people who feel secure in a relationship are the ones who put some thought into understanding the other person rather than building up a checklist of "qualities".

life's a factory in which all the products come out a little flawed, y'see?

Yes I think Moose really hit the nail on the head. I think we do look for guys with a bit of an "edge", and have got that balance between the two.

Original question was do women prefer a 'nasty piece of work' and why?

A masculine 'edge' and a 'nasty piece of work' are not in the same galaxy....when you think about it...

'treat them mean and keep them keen' has got nothing to do with male confidence...i don't care how good he looks in those jeans sister....

but when a man is smart enough to make you laugh ....

then you both are using the biggest, most important and potent sexual organ you have...the brain

when you think about it, you know its true, deep down in your grey matter

Darkhorse, there is much sanity in you. If the poll was 'sane or not sane' I would tick you as one of the sane.

Also s6boystu, obviously in posession of your marbles and I have to say it, a hero cool man, for standing up for the lady who got decked by her 'lover'....hats off. We need men like you...not only need, we appreciate the confidence, the clarity, a man who knows right from wrong. Nasty from nice.

Knows a pussycat when he sees one too.

It's of concern, see.
All this 'like them nasty' malarky....
.....theres something irresponsible about it.

Why? Because alot of guys use it as an excuse to behave badly/whatever way they like.

A recent survey in Ireland showed that a high percentage of men AND women believed it was the fault of a rape victim if she was wearing revealing clothing for example, to be raped.

A case in point.
Observe; look at the reaction when Bliss revealed she voted 'nasty'.
Like shes the only honest woman in this place...ha
the implication being, we all secretly like to be treated bad...

what a joke
So blatently obvious to tell the men from the boys.

I see most of the girls picked the nice guys over the not so nice guys...but then why is it you see so many girls with asshole guys...and they dont leave??