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03.02.2009, 17:56 quote

francis101
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kovacs wrote:
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you dont know everybody, thus dont know if everybody is 100% honest.


I'm sure that sounded more profound in your head.

Anyway, I know enough about the human condition to know that nobody is 100% honest. Whether a person is dishonest with good or bad intentions is down to the individual.


i wasnt trying to be profound. i was just saying that you dont know everyone. you cant just say no one can be fully honest, when you dont even know everyone to know if they lie or not. people can do anything when they put their minds to it, i believe this includes being honest. its my opinion and im sticking with it. please try to be a little less rude btw.

 

03.02.2009, 19:38 quote

jeggae
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I've met a lot of people in my life and I've learned not to trust everyone if anyone at all. The only person I ever really trusted was my dad, and he died 15 years ago. I've been let down so many times, I think its probably best not to totally trust anyone now.

 

03.02.2009, 19:42 quote

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jeggae wrote:
I've met a lot of people in my life and I've learned not to trust everyone if anyone at all. The only person I ever really trusted was my dad, and he died 15 years ago. I've been let down so many times, I think its probably best not to totally trust anyone now.


That is one of the saddest things I've ever heard.

Feel sorry for you Jegs.

It must be awful not to trust anyone.
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03.02.2009, 20:23 quote

rocketgirl

But Daryl, isnt it infinitely worse when you trust someone not to hurt you, lie to you etc and they let you down?
I dont feel sorry for Jegs, in fact I think he's right - I dont trust ANYBODY 100% either...just some more than others.
And I also think Kovacs is right too - unless you have aspergers really bad or summat, we all from a very young age learn the social rule of at the very least side-stepping the truth if not down right lying.
"Do you like my new necklace?"

"No I think it's hideous" would be truthful.
"Its unusual and eyecatching" is being diplomatic.

I try to be as close to 100% honest whenever possible, but unless you want to offend people's feelings, look a prick and have no friends, no one can honestly say they are 100% honest.
Even the pope just smiles sweetly saying nowt if he doesnt want to give an honest answer at times!

Its called tact, and we all use it, some more than others.

 

03.02.2009, 20:31 quote

audacious89

honestly hmm... whats that again i dont believe i have heard people being that for a long time...

i tell white lies, like above about peoples choice in clothes, etc 'well it looks great on you' .. as opposed to 'i wouldnt be seen dead in that.' Smile but hate people who lie and it ultimately hurts people, whats the point. plus im pretty naive so believe it lol but thats a whoooooole nother story and the reason why i'm here....

 

03.02.2009, 20:43 quote

kadushu

Some people can't handle the truth. For the rest, tact and honesty where it counts.

 

03.02.2009, 20:58 quote

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Yes, but its very sad not to trust anyone in case someone hurts you...

I'm not digging at Jegs, I genuinally feel sorry for him.
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03.02.2009, 21:12 quote

rocketgirl

It doesnt always hurt when someone isnt truthful.
Sometimes not knowing the truth can simply be a waste of your time, energy etc.
Only people I care deeply about have the power to hurt me, and thats usually only if their untruthfulness burst my "everythings going my way" bubble.
Sometimes being hurt or at least knowing the truth is necessary in order to understand a situation better.
Thats why they say sometimes the truth hurts, even though a lie - or at least finding out the lie - can be even more hurtful because its unnecessary.
I get annoyed when someone is not honest with me at times - because it means they do not trust me to have the capability to accept a truth that they have decided for me that I cannot handle.
If that makes sense?
I dont believe in saving someone's feelings just for the sake of it, I will only save their feelings with a white lie/side-step the truth if they are obviously feeling fragile. But I wont make the assumption for them that they are not capable of hearing the truth.
The necklace scenario - I would be inclined personally to say summat along the lines of "Its unusual and eyecatching but personally I dont like it, but I dont have to like it do I, its not me wearing it and it makes no difference to you whether I like it or not".
If they expected my approval just to feel good about themselves, then tough luck I aint playing that game.
But, my aunt asked me if she looked okay at her husbands funeral and I thought she looked crap but I said yeah you look lovely because it would have been pointless and downright nasty to tell her she looked like she got dressed in the dark pissed, eh?

 

03.02.2009, 21:35 quote

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I agree with most of that Alice, some definate truths there. Maybe I read too much into Jeggae's post.

But I think you're wrong about the necklace. If you would say that, it's up to you, of course, but I think it does matter to her whether you like it or not. Again, not a dig.
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03.02.2009, 21:36 quote

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fireinmyheart wrote:
Yes, but its very sad not to trust anyone in case someone hurts you...

I'm not digging at Jegs, I genuinally feel sorry for him.


I didnt take it as a dig mate Wink

Maybe its my age and being let down by so many people, including friends and family. Some dishonesty is subtle or maybe some people don't realise they are doing it. But here I am, not really trusting anyone Surprised

 

03.02.2009, 22:55 quote

rocketgirl

fireinmyheart wrote:
I agree with most of that Alice, some definate truths there. Maybe I read too much into Jeggae's post.

But I think you're wrong about the necklace. If you would say that, it's up to you, of course, but I think it does matter to her whether you like it or not. Again, not a dig.


Ah, if it really did matter to this mythical friend that I liked her mythical (hideous) necklace, all the more important for me to tell her the truth and say I think its hideous?
Or should I base our friendship (one that is so important to her that me liking her necklace matters to her) on my ability to glibly lie just to keep her happy?
I think not.
I'd rather tell the truth.
At least then she would value my honesty, which would be a good foundation for a friendship surely?
I dont want my friendships to be based on our abilities to lie to one another just to save our feelings. Thats not healthy in any relationship.

 

03.02.2009, 22:58 quote

rocketgirl

jeggae wrote:
[Maybe its my age and being let down by so many people, including friends and family. Some dishonesty is subtle or maybe some people don't realise they are doing it. But here I am, not really trusting anyone Surprised


Some people are not honest with themselves, and say to you what they themselves want to believe.
If a person cant face the truth themselves, they are not going to be able to tell it to you lest they hear the truth themselves.

 

04.02.2009, 10:33 quote

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rocketgirl wrote:
jeggae wrote:
[Maybe its my age and being let down by so many people, including friends and family. Some dishonesty is subtle or maybe some people don't realise they are doing it. But here I am, not really trusting anyone Surprised


Some people are not honest with themselves, and say to you what they themselves want to believe.
If a person cant face the truth themselves, they are not going to be able to tell it to you lest they hear the truth themselves.


Dishonesty doesn't just manifest itself in written and spoken word. But sometimes in what people do and the way they act.

Could be things like body language in real life, or even come out on Internet sites and msn etc.

 

04.05.2009, 13:53 quote

sc0ttie

Bliss23 wrote:
There's a fine line... Say someone thinks they are ugly and boring and such... Do you think they should tell others their honest opinion on themselves?

They might actually be totally great, although great usually ain't the word for someone who thinks they suck, but they can actually be quite nice, in spite of their beliefs on themselves...

So what then? Razz


That could be called delusion, rather than dishonesty, couldnt it?
Dishonesty in my book means when somebody knowingly misleads or lies to another in order for some sort of personal gain.

 
 
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