1- It is apparent that we are living false life influenced by media and press.
both genders in other societies still pay more attention to inner beauty, education, steady employment or job, and have less trouble with many stigmas from ageism, race, skin, and statues, in fact if men are pretty they are considered famine rather than man, true grid and ugly or lined face considered to be more experienced and draw less attention to other women thus less jealousy.

2- It is true that opposite attracts and we see that with very pretty women do go out with not that good looking men, and wonder why. Just think about other qualities they may have I am debating inner qualities versus outer beauty here.

Your thoughts and input about this topic appreciated?

I've just written loads here, but it delves too much into my own personal situation, so suffice it to say, it's personality.

A number of guys who know that they're no oil painting will make more effort in other ways. For example; they're often humourous, some learn to cook to impress a woman, some are great lovers. The list is endless, but the main thing is, they make more effort to stand out in other ways.

Id pretty much agree. I have no idea what it is that women define as pretty, but they generally are much more open minded on looks than men are. You only have to walk down the street to see it. I mean men are generally dog ugly anyway, but you get some gorilla's out there holding hands ith some very lovely and delicate ladies. I have no idea why they aren't hung up on looks, all i can say is thank god they aren't.

Ouch @ the half-withdrawn compliment!

See what I mean about not believing it?

I believe in myself massively. Almost too much, possibly.

I just don't believe my looks are anything other than average.

. . . was what I was saying.