I hope you dont think I am out of order here Greystone but I had a dekko at your profile and from a woman's point of view it shouts No Confidence and depressed apathy and would give me no reason to want to contact you if I were after a romantic liaison with you. Stick to your good points, don't concentrate on what's not perfect. You're a lovely looking guy hopefully some one special will soon notice! Be sure to let me know if you get lucky!!

As a woman, I have no problem with a guy in the street/bus stop/cafe chatting to me. It can be very flattering. It's just this whole 'street game seduction community' thing that is so unsettling. If a guy is genuinely being friendly/flirty believe me it stands out a mile if he's trying out some learned 'technique'! I had a quick peek at this 'ere seduction community thang and theres this guy asking for advice He fancies a girl at work but she's got a fella....the advice was "keep her as a friend and use her as target practice" - I mean blimey, a girl is going to *notice* that a chap is talking AT a 'target' and not TO the potential lady of his dreams!! I understand that this 'technique' might work for all of 5 mins and even get you a phone number if your ultra lucky - but what happens next? What techniques do you have use to sustain an actual relationship, or am I missing something?

ManfromMayo if I was at least 10 yrs younger I'd be over the water in the blink of an eye just to get the chance to bump into you in the street!! My ultimate dream is to end my days in Ireland, havent been for many a year but ye gods how I miss a good Christy Moore gig - he doesn't do live anymore I hear tho'

OK, let me add my two peneth here. Here's a scenario for you that happened to me.
Back in June (TT week over here), i was going into town for the evenings festivities on the prom and decided to get the bus. Stood at the bus stop, there was a guy there, over from Ireland for the racing. The bus was late so he asked me was there actually a bus. Anyway we got chatting. No bus arrived (there'd been an accident further up the coast) and as the local copper went by he decided to flag him down to see what had happened. We got a lift into the the next village from the copper. Walked down into town together, stopped at a pub and had a couple of drinks and then spent the rest of the evening together having a laugh and a few pints. No exchange of numbers because he was only visiting, but it worked and we had a great time.
So it does work.

Ah but Bexbex, it wasn't 'scripted' was it, just so he could give himself a high 5 for being the clever dick, eh? That was what I meant. Genuine 'casual liaisons' are great, I certainly agree there!
It's this seduction community thing that I just can't get my head around where the woman is called a 'target' and it doesn't matter *what* she says as long as he says/uses the scripted words/techniques.
Eg. You (the Pick Up Artist, or PUA) : Hi can I have a moment of your time please?
TARGET: blah blah
You: I want to ask you.....
TARGET: blah blah
...and so it goes on. The point there being that it is of absolutely NO importance what 'the target' says (hence actually written "blah blah") Even if she said "No F Off" the PUA *still* continues to the next line until either she walks away or he's finished saying what he set out to say. (or got asked to move along by the nearest copper?).
That's the difference.
And by the way, love your little story, that's so great!!!

Yea Rocket, the story was aimed at Grey so he can see it can be done by 'normal' ways and not scripted. Obviously scripted aren't working for him, so now is the time to go with the natural thing. And its not about confidence at all but Grey says anything. All it needs to start with is a passing smile, you don't need confidence to smile.