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29.10.2007, 12:50 quote

Anonymous

Why do people always talk about rising and falling "house prices" ?

I think houses always become worth less over time - only the land houses are build on is rare and therefore a "house" costs more money - but not because of the house, only because of the land.

The older your car or your trousers get, the less they are worth. I don't think houses make an exception (in theory) - the older the crappier (excluding really old houses with a history).

What do you think ?

The roof doesn't get rainproover, the pipes won't be less likely to get blocked, the windows won't isolate better, the doors won't shut better - the older a house gets. So in theory house prices would be falling all the time - if building land was not such a big problem.

 

18.11.2007, 23:44 quote

Anonymous

Interest rates matter, because it only makes/made sense to by a house if it is cheaper then renting a house. Once you start loosing money by buying a house
, it makes no sense to buy it.

The only reason why house prices went up is that interest rates where so low that lots of people made lots of money buy getting a mortgage on a house and renting it out - and the rents paid for the mortgage. As interests rates and house prices go up, it is not possible anymore and you are better off selling the house any putting the money on a savings account.

 

19.11.2007, 09:10 quote

Anonymous

kebabman wrote:

Not sure I agree with that. Define "cheaper than renting a house". Is that taking into account the capital assets gained? And the long term appreciation of the property? Property value will go up in the long term.
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Yes, it is taking into account that you do not have any extra costs when you are renting (e.g. repairs, maintenance...) and the long-term deprecation of the property

It is a myth that property will become more expensive in the future...just
because this happened in the past. In my opinion must houses are overvalued... You also need to keep in mind that your mortgage runs out some day...and if then, the interest rate has doubled, you end up paying twice as much. If you sell your house, you also need to pay additional fees to get out the mortgage....and taxes on the house sale if you're unlucky.

If you use it as a source of income you have to pay taxes on it - and you always need to spend money on maintenance..

If you do not need a mortgage, the rent from the house needs to be about what you would get on a savings account. If you do need a mortgage, the rent would need to cover the interests as well...and nobody will pay so much rent anyhow.

If you rent, the money is gone. True. But what s the difference between wasting the money on the rent and on wasting the money to a bank ?

The mortgage is also "wasted" on the bank. Only the clearance is "yours"...but this is often only 1 percent or something...so negligible.
If you buy a house you need to pay a "rent" on the borrowed money which is sometimes even higher then the rent of a comparable house!

Additionally you have to pay property taxes etc....which you don't have to if you are renting something.

People always say it was easy and safe to make money on buying and selling property - or at least in "owning" something yourself. The easiest and safest way is in my opinion a savings account.

Give me some values...e.g. house price.mortgage rates...and I can show you the arithmetic behind it.....and what I don't think buying is a good idea in the UK nowadays....




This graph compares the ratio between buying versus renting in some countries over time.....in most countries buying versus renting became more and more expensive....and this has been a continuing process for decades now.

The ratio varies from country to country and town to town. I personally would only buy something if the price is not more then 200x the monthly rent.

E.g. if your monthly rent is 400 pounds, the property should not be more expensive then 400*200 = 80,000 pounds.

If it costs 120,000 pounds, it would not be worth it. You could put it on a savings account and get about 6% interest rates = 600 pounds per month.
So if you rent, you would save 200 pounds per month at least.

Sooner or later you would also need to replace the roof/windows insulate the walls, replace the pipes...and you might end up spending a couple of thousand pounds all at once some day....

I also don't believe house prices will rise in the long-term as people become more demanding as far as the quality of living is concerned and in 10 years nobody would want to live in an "average" house of today - and often it is cheaper to knock down an old house and to build a new one then trying to convert an old house....so nobody will be interested in the house itself anyhow and just buy it in order to get hold of the land for a new plot. I also think the government will make it harder with environmental laws.....and people will have the choice between spending amount x on refurbishing an old house and make it more energy-efficient or on spending the same amount on just replacing the whole house with a new one ...

 
 
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