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10.02.2008, 11:55 quote

toby

Although prices in Berlin when up quite a lot, houses are still quite affordable there:

http://forward.immobilienscout24.de/9004STF/44382861?is24EC=IS24

....just came stumbled upon this....

 

10.02.2008, 12:33 quote

Anonymous

Was bedeutet 'Hausgeld'? (wie Hausgeld: 577,67 EUR)

 

10.02.2008, 14:52 quote

Anonymous

darkhorse57 wrote:
Was bedeutet 'Hausgeld'? (wie Hausgeld: 577,67 EUR)


Egal, hab' gefunden Very Happy

"Als Hausgeld werden umgangssprachlich die monatlichen Vorschüsse bezeichnet, die Wohnungseigentümer aufgrund eines beschlossenen Wirtschaftsplanes an den Verwalter von Wohnungseigentumsanlagen zu zahlen haben."

Finde ich irgendwie teuer als monatliches ausgabe.

 

10.02.2008, 15:08 quote

toby

The clubbing scene is really big here...lots of nightclubs and bars..but 70% of the clubs have arrogant bouncers and in some clubs it is really hard to get in, without knowing the right people (even one of directors of the Deutsche Bank was refused the admission into one of the clubs and the bouncer ripped his business card and told him to go away)...so even vips (actors, politicians, musicians) are sometimes not admitted into certain clubs if the bouncers don't like them - so even being famous does not help.

Apart from that, Munich is better then Berlin in my opinion, the problem with Munich is, that property in Munich is extremely expensive, so that renting is cheaper then buying - unless you are really lucky and buy something directly from an owner that does not want to rip you off.

The ones who usually own a flat or house in the town center in Munich are often so rich, that they never have to think about whether renting would be cheaper then buying - they just buy it if they like it.

So sometimes there are flats that cost 400,000 Euros but the rent would only be 750 Euros...so it would not be wise to buy if from a financial point of view. In Berlin a similiar flat would only cost 120,000 Euros and the rent would be 400 Euros. On the other hand, in Berlin there are many vacant flats and in Munich there are none....so Berlin is a market for buyers and in Munich for sellers. In Berlin unemployment is 15,6% and in Munich it is 5,6%....

In Munich, there no dodgy or ghetto-like areas like in Berlin.

On the other hand, some people prefer Berlin because they like the kind of people and lifestyle and the contrasts you find in Berlin....you don't need money to have fun in Berlin and you can even go out when you are poor student or umemployed...often you find punks and business people in the same bars. In Munich, there are clubs and bars where there are only punks or only goths...or only gay designers or only millionaires...or only famous people...or only geeks - they don't go the same clubs.

"Hausgeld" are the monthly bills such as heating, water, cable tv, tv license, fees for collecting the rubbish, payments for the janitor, taxes for the ground etc...usually they are betwen 80-250 Euros for an average flat with 3 rooms.

I think the ad above is not that cheap upon second thoughts....the "Hausgeld" really seems a bit high.

 

10.02.2008, 15:16 quote

toby

This is a typical "cheap" flat in Berlin:

http://forward.immobilienscout24.de/9004STF/44228454?is24EC=IS24

 

10.02.2008, 15:19 quote

Anonymous

toby wrote:


"Hausgeld" are the monthly bills such as heating, water, cable tv, tv license, fees for collecting the rubbish, payments for the janitor, taxes for the ground etc...usually they are betwen 80-250 Euros for an average flat with 3 rooms.

I think the ad above is not that cheap upon second thoughts....the "Hausgeld" really seems a bit high.


Sorry, I forgot this was the English part of the forum when I asked about Hausgeld (my brain switched to German). I didn’t know exactly what it was, but was familiar with the term in relation to Strafvollzugsgesetz (I have quite a lot of German law books Laughing ).

When I found out what it meant, I also thought it was a bit expensive, since I was under the impression that the Steglitz area is quite industrial and maybe not such a pleasant place to live (despite that the apartment is modern and well presented)? But then I guess one pays Hausgeld according to the facilties of the building, not the location Very Happy

 

10.02.2008, 15:32 quote

toby

It is a bit more confusing...in Southern Germany there is something called "Wohngeld" - which are the monthly bills. In Berlin "Wohngeld" is the money unemployed people receive from the government in order to pay for the rent and the bills.

"Hausgeld" in Berlin is often something really unique - and only exists in Berlin.

It works like that: Several people that do not have any money buy a whole building with several flats and get a mortgage on the house together. The mortgage is divided by the number of flats and everyone basically owns part of the house....if you move out, the next one who moves in becomes the "owner"...but usually the mortgages run so long, that the debts on the building stay more or less stay the same. So you rent a flat, but you can not be kicked out easily....the advantage is there is no "landlord" as the community itself is the landlord.

Sometimes the "Hausgeld" is high because there is still a mortgage on the house or part of the money is saved for future mainenance on the building (e.g. façade...or new roof...new heating)

 
 
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