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Home >> Arts >> why is it so hard to find a good webdesigner?
18.01.2007, 22:55 quote
It is really hard to find a really good webdesigner for a kick-ass webdesign....
there are a lot hobby-webdesigners and many semi-professional ones - and even the professional ones are almost all on a semi-professional level. all website design they come up with look standard and remind you of lots of other websites....as if they took a templatemonster template and changed the colours.....
i think the really good ones are rare and dont have any time .... and only work for the ones who spend a million on a design....
18.01.2007, 23:02 quote
| toby wrote: |
| It is really hard to find a really good webdesigner for a kick-ass webdesign....
there are a lot hobby-webdesigners and many semi-professional ones - and even the professional ones are almost all on a semi-professional level. all website design they come up with look standard and remind you of lots of other websites....as if they took a templatemonster template and changed the colours..... i think the really good ones are rare and dont have any time .... and only work for the ones who spend a million on a design.... |
It's difficult because crap designers can make good money doing just that, unfortunately. It's too easy nowadays to just grab a template or something from oswd.org for example and make a site that looks half decent, and because half the sites out there look like that, the designers can get away with it. The irony is it's much easier to find a good C or asm developer, which is extremely hard to be good at, than it is to find a good web designer, which in comparison is fairly easy. Supply and demand!
18.01.2007, 23:02 quote
| toby wrote: |
| It is really hard to find a really good webdesigner for a kick-ass webdesign....
there are a lot hobby-webdesigners and many semi-professional ones - and even the professional ones are almost all on a semi-professional level. all website design they come up with look standard and remind you of lots of other websites....as if they took a templatemonster template and changed the colours..... i think the really good ones are rare and dont have any time .... and only work for the ones who spend a million on a design.... |
what about one of those myspace layout type things? would they work?
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19.01.2007, 02:26 quote
| toby wrote: |
| It is really hard to find a really good webdesigner for a kick-ass webdesign....
there are a lot hobby-webdesigners and many semi-professional ones - and even the professional ones are almost all on a semi-professional level. all website design they come up with look standard and remind you of lots of other websites....as if they took a templatemonster template and changed the colours..... i think the really good ones are rare and dont have any time .... and only work for the ones who spend a million on a design.... |
19.01.2007, 09:12 quote
Its hard Toby because it's an easy field to break into, and as the "best" is usually well out of most people's price range there is a massive gap for "second best" where people will get a look, but wont end up paying the earth for it.
The "Kick-ass" designer you crave would also empty your bank account with a days work LMAO
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19.01.2007, 21:28 quote
| kebabman wrote: | ||
It's difficult because crap designers can make good money doing just that, unfortunately. It's too easy nowadays to just grab a template or something from oswd.org for example and make a site that looks half decent, and because half the sites out there look like that, the designers can get away with it. The irony is it's much easier to find a good C or asm developer, which is extremely hard to be good at, than it is to find a good web designer, which in comparison is fairly easy. Supply and demand! |
but nobody is paying more then 10 pounds for such a webdesign.
it is hard to find a Java programmer though....we are looking for one at the company I work....with WebObjects and Swing experience....I think as a good software developer you are never unemployed....more and more people/companies need custom code - and there are only a few available that can handle complex projects and work in a team with other software developers....
24.01.2007, 17:47 quote
there's about 50 million definitions of whats "good" too. Im all for functionality and ease of navigation over fancy style. A huge amount of Myspace layouts are a perfect example of all thats gone wrong in style over functionality. Pictures on backgrounds that intefere visually with the the writing. writing that you have to mouse-over to see whats written. dark writing on dark backgrounds. its just wrong. Its beyond belief that people can think these things are "good".
On the other hand some of the greatest things are beauty in simplicity e.g. google and mediawiki.
24.01.2007, 17:52 quote
| god wrote: | ||||
but nobody is paying more then 10 pounds for such a webdesign. it is hard to find a Java programmer though....we are looking for one at the company I work....with WebObjects and Swing experience....I think as a good software developer you are never unemployed....more and more people/companies need custom code - and there are only a few available that can handle complex projects and work in a team with other software developers.... |
Hard to find a good Java programmer? Jesus, I've never had a problem finding any good Java programmers, maybe I've just been lucky, I've done a fair bit, and compared to the other languages I use it's relatively easy to do well. Of course the problem here again lies with the fact that people jump right into it and do badly without understanding the underlying principals of the technologies. I used to teach Java at the university, given up now though. Then again, I don't work in the 'real world' either. Academia is miles away from industry.
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08.02.2007, 20:39 quote
I saw your competition and thought I'd post what I've done so far. Just to warn you I'm a web developer and not a designer, but I pick up a few tips as I work.
Basically, it's designed so that it can easily be coded as a CSS liquid layout (the page moves and scales to fill the browser) and still look good at all resolutions. Less navigational elements are grouped together for better usability.
http://www.LyfeNetwork.co.uk/fbox.jpg
The catch phrase "100% free dating site" still doesn't look right, and I need to either add a new logo or use your existing one.
09.02.2007, 08:17 quote
One thing though toby, do you just want a design or would you want it all sliced and coded too?
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09.02.2007, 12:11 quote
Hello Toby, a member of this community informed me about this design competition. I am half way through of designing a Web 2.0 Style layout, i will make a thread once completed.
Thanks, Johnny.
09.02.2007, 17:49 quote
| Aradon wrote: |
| One thing though toby, do you just want a design or would you want it all sliced and coded too? |
The concept is the important bit - I would also be happy with a pencil sketch
09.02.2007, 17:54 quote
| kebabman wrote: |
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Hard to find a good Java programmer? Jesus, I've never had a problem finding any good Java programmers, maybe I've just been lucky, I've done a fair bit, and compared to the other languages I use it's relatively easy to do well. Of course the problem here again lies with the fact that people jump right into it and do badly without understanding the underlying principals of the technologies. I used to teach Java at the university, given up now though. Then again, I don't work in the 'real world' either. Academia is miles away from industry. |
Really good ones are usually too expensive and would hardly ever take a fulltime job - they prefer working as freelancers for 400 pounds per day or more.
Programming itself is not the difficult bit - it is doing good software architectures, bug-free software and writing good unit tests and doing stress tests and general code profiling....also documenting software in a usable way is important.
09.02.2007, 17:58 quote
| danlove wrote: |
| I saw your competition and thought I'd post what I've done so far. Just to warn you I'm a web developer and not a designer, but I pick up a few tips as I work.
Basically, it's designed so that it can easily be coded as a CSS liquid layout (the page moves and scales to fill the browser) and still look good at all resolutions. Less navigational elements are grouped together for better usability. http://www.LyfeNetwork.co.uk/fbox.jpg The catch phrase "100% free dating site" still doesn't look right, and I need to either add a new logo or use your existing one. |
Looks nice...I like the notes....the logo and top part is a bit boring though
One of the most important bits would be the logo design....
09.02.2007, 18:20 quote
| toby wrote: | ||
The concept is the important bit - I would also be happy with a pencil sketch |
Okay kewl, imma throw some ideas in photoshop and see what comes out
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