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Poll: Is transgederism a mental ilness?

Is transgederism a mental ilness?
Yes
28%
 28%  [ 2 ]
No
71%
 71%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 7
 

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20.07.2008, 11:04 quote

aimeegallagher
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im transgendered male to female and im looking for friends and maybe a relationship with someone im pre hormone treatment it annoys me because i have been living as a woman as aimee since september 12th 2007 and they wont give me the hormones.

i am entitled to them i know that but they just dont want anything to do with me really!

 

20.07.2008, 11:12 quote

rocketgirl
Joined: 17 Jun 2008 Posts: 848 Location: United Kingdom, England, Hampshire
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Not sure why you've started this vote? Are you thinking you might be mentally ill? What makes you ask this of us?
If you "know" you are entitled to hormone treatment, why havent you ensured that you get it?
No, I personally dont 'think' its a mental illness, lots of people wish they were somebody else, some people just wish they had a different gender, t'is all as far as I can see.
But I am guessing that for some people the driving need to change gender could be caused by some kind of mental illness.
I've not read up on it enough to cast a vote here.

 

20.07.2008, 16:45 quote

mirrorpool
mirrorpool Joined: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 948 Location: United Kingdom, England, Norfolk
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I'm not voting on this either, but I do know that some people with transgender issues can suffer from depression and other mental illnesses as well as anybody else, but it may be that some are more susceptible due to chemical imbalances, or unhappiness about who they are and low self-esteem.
I think it could be useful for you to find people to befriend that also have transgender issues as I think this will help you to identify the help you need for your own adjustment but also to know your rights about treatment to support your gender change. I'm sure there must be some appropriate web sites.
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20.07.2008, 17:43 quote

scaramuccia

Sorry, no sympathetic words from me – I despise people who think they are ‘entitled’ to …… whatever.

I assume you mean that you think you are ‘entitled’ to what you call ‘hormone replacement’ under the NHS?

If so, if you want it that badly, pay for it, you tight git.

If it's a case of no-one will provide the treatment even though you have the funds to finance it, then you could do a lot worsethan take some of the advice above. Or go abroad where this sort of treatment is available with a little empathy to ones pyschological wellbeing than in this country.

 

20.07.2008, 19:08 quote

cymrubeats
cymrubeats Joined: 11 Jul 2008 Posts: 33 Location: United Kingdom, Scotland, Glasgow
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UT

 

20.07.2008, 19:52 quote

rocketgirl
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Oh dear Darkhorse, I take it then when you have a heart attack, or break your leg or "whatever," you wont feel 'entitled' to an ambulance or hospital treatment?

That's not just unsympathetic, that's just downright mean.

 

20.07.2008, 20:24 quote

scaramuccia

rocketgirl wrote:
Oh dear Darkhorse, I take it then when you have a heart attack, or break your leg or "whatever," you wont feel 'entitled' to an ambulance or hospital treatment?

That's not just unsympathetic, that's just downright mean.


So I’m a c*nt, what’s new?

Everybody may take advantage of the services of the wonderful NHS in this country, but if I am asked to pay for emergency treatment, then I would. Since when was hormone replacement therapy a medical emergency or life-saving treatment – unless of course the person being denied hormone replacement got depressed and tried to commit suicide, in which case it wouldn’t be a case of transgenderism being questioned as a mental illness, but the depression.

 

20.07.2008, 20:34 quote

Teggro
Teggro Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 380 Location: United Kingdom, England, West Midlands
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Sorry, but I was under the impression that everyone that pays tax pays for the NHS.

It's what those doctors specialise in and should be used to full advantage, imo. There is a waiting list, but if you want it asap, go private.

 

20.07.2008, 21:12 quote

eda85
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scaramuccia wrote:
rocketgirl wrote:
Oh dear Darkhorse, I take it then when you have a heart attack, or break your leg or "whatever," you wont feel 'entitled' to an ambulance or hospital treatment?

That's not just unsympathetic, that's just downright mean.


So I’m a c*nt, what’s new?

Everybody may take advantage of the services of the wonderful NHS in this country, but if I am asked to pay for emergency treatment, then I would. Since when was hormone replacement therapy a medical emergency or life-saving treatment – unless of course the person being denied hormone replacement got depressed and tried to commit suicide, in which case it wouldn’t be a case of transgenderism being questioned as a mental illness, but the depression.


Surely if some medically treatable condition is causing someone to be depressed then it would be better to treat that than ignoring it and just treating the depression?
Why risk depression and all the shit that goes with it when the root cause can be treated instead?

 

20.07.2008, 21:27 quote

mirrorpool
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I thought the hormone treatment was only started after a full year living and working as the intended gender, am I wrong then?
I think some response from aimee would be good at this point if we need some educating
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20.07.2008, 21:43 quote

scaramuccia

eda85 wrote:


Surely if some medically treatable condition..........


Sorry, but it is debateable whether gender identity disorder or gender expression is a ‘treatable condition’, as such. I mean, it's not like it's a rash or cancer.

The issue in the OP is the hormone treatment (known as Transgender Hormone Replacement Therapy), which includes the prescription of feminising hormones, oestrogen and progesterone (which develop female secondary sexual characteristics). Anybody can buy these drugs, the same way that anyone can buy Viagra if they *really* want them (anyone on one of the transgender support forums will advise where best to buy the drugs online).

Incidentally, these drugs are actually available on the NHS, but a doctor is almost certainly only going to prescribe them after a psychological and/or lifestyle evaluation, usually between 12 – 24 months after the person concerned has adopted their new gender as their lifestyle.

 

20.07.2008, 21:49 quote

eda85
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scaramuccia wrote:
eda85 wrote:


Surely if some medically treatable condition..........


Sorry, but it is debateable whether gender identity disorder or gender expression is a ‘treatable condition’, as such. I mean, it's not like it's a rash or cancer.

The issue in the OP is the hormone treatment (known as Transgender Hormone Replacement Therapy), which includes the prescription of feminising hormones, oestrogen and progesterone (which develop female secondary sexual characteristics). Anybody can buy these drugs, the same way that anyone can buy Viagra if they *really* want them (anyone on one of the transgender support forums will advise where best to buy the drugs online).

Incidentally, these drugs are actually available on the NHS, but a doctor is almost certainly only going to prescribe them after a psychological and/or lifestyle evaluation, usually between 12 – 24 months after the person concerned has adopted their new gender as their lifestyle.


Surely, by definition, if the NHS offers 'treatment' then the condition is treatable. Thats not to say it's curable, but there are loads of conditions like that.

 

21.07.2008, 06:50 quote

choochi0
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I have to agree with scaramuccia on the issue of entitlement.

The NHS was launched sixty years ago. Before that if you didn't have the money to get treatment you just had to deal with it and most probably - depending on the severity of your condition - lay down and die.

We are not 'entitled' to free health care, benefits or a pension we are bloody lucky to have it. No-one should forget that whilst there is someone in the UK moaning about having to wait a few months to sort out an ingrown toe nail there are people in other parts of the world who are dying because they cannot get a drug you can buy over the counter here.

 

21.07.2008, 09:18 quote

Teggro
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Quote:
We are not 'entitled' to free health care, benefits or a pension we are bloody lucky to have it.


In this country we are, given you're on reasonable grounds for the latter two.

 

21.07.2008, 09:21 quote

DeepthroatH
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My gosh that caused some shit didnt it?

I wouldnt be able to comment in it being a mental illness, i have a neighbour who is a man trapped in a womans body, and her head is a mess. I wont say anymore, because commenting on something i know nothing about may cause me more trouble than its worth, and make me look ignorant, but i, like others believe that if you work, and pay taxes, then you are entitled to your health care, be that what it may.

Dark Horse and Choochio - you raise some valid points, however, you yourselves are not going through a change like this one (are you??) and therefore dont know first hand what its like.

A very risky thread to start i feel. I love it! LOL!

 
 
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