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28.06.2008, 17:53 quote
I am not very good at British history, but it was really funny to learn that the royal family changed their name to "Windsor" in 1917 - before that, they still had the name "Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha"....
I always thought this was a lot longer ago...
I have always known, that the royal family have German roots...but didn't know they were so closely related.
A girl I met on Flirtbox (that lives in London and comes from the German town Coburg), once pointed out that Andreas Prinz von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha...the guy who lives here:
(in Corburg, Germany)
had the same ears as the Prince of Wales...
The royal family often come to Germany and travel around...My brother's girlfriend showed them the castle near my hometown recently...a "private" tour around the castle and the park. Prince Philip seems to be a really funny guy...he made jokes all the time.
So I don't quite understand why so many people in the UK are anti-german, especially after football matches...it is more or less the same "family"
28.06.2008, 18:00 quote
| toby wrote: |
So I don't quite understand why so many people in the UK are anti-german, especially after football matches...it is more or less the same "family" ![]() |
Well firstly I think the two world wars still feature heavily in any lingering anti-german sentiments. The first being quite a factor in their name change I'd wager.
But also with regard to the footy, it's always worse to lose to at anything to someone in your "family".
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28.06.2008, 18:03 quote
Yes, but all of them who were responsible or contributed in some way or other have already died.
My grand-father was 5 years old in world-war II...and I don't think you can blame 5 year olds.
And the ones who suffered from WW II in the UK have also died...mostly.
And drunken 20 year olds from the UK ....that were born 2 generations after the worldwar has ended, for example, have no reason to be angry at anyone who has also not been born until WW II has ended.
I really haven't met anyone in the UK that was "anti-german" as such...just some idiots that were anti-everything...basically everything they didn't know or understand....and everyone of my friends who has brought the car to the UK had it smashed at least once...broken windows, doors...rear mirrors etc...not only after football games also just "for fun" because it had a German number-plate.
28.06.2008, 18:10 quote
| toby wrote: |
| My grand-father was 5 years old in world-war II...and I don't think you can blame 5 year
olds. |
Bloody hell Toby, you make me feel old.....my (ex)husband was 2 yrs old when WWII began!
(and my 2 grandads were 45 yrs old and around 60 yrs old in 1939).
28.06.2008, 18:12 quote
It's an ingrained grudge, logic doesn't really apply.
Hence the chants of "two world wars and one world cup" largely from people to young to have seen even the latter.
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28.06.2008, 18:16 quote
70 years is a long time....the ones that were 10 are 80 now....although many get 90, 100 or even older - the majority of them have already died.
I also don't think you can blame 20 year olds....maybe 30-40 year olds...so they are 100-110 now.
28.06.2008, 18:22 quote
I found a current picture of the remaining "Coburgs"...the royal family.
Princess Stephanie, Prince Andreas, Princess Carin, Prince Alexander, Prince Hubertus...
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| The House of Windsor
The Windsor name now used by Queen Elizabeth II and other British royals only dates back to 1917. Before that the British royal family bore the German name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha in German). Why the drastic name change? The answer to that question is simple: World War I. Since August 1914 Britain had been at war with Germany. Anything German had a bad connotation, including the German name Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Not only that, Germany's Kaiser Wilhelm was a cousin of the British king. So on July 17, 1917, to prove his loyalty to England, Queen Victoria's grandson King George V officially declared that "all descendents in the male line of Queen Victoria, who are subjects of these realms, other than female descendents who marry or who have married, shall bear the name Windsor." |
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| Prince Albert (1819-1861) was also responsible for the introduction of German Christmas customs (including the Christmas tree) in England. The British royal family still celebrates Christmas on December 24th rather than on Christmas Day, as is normal English custom.
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... and the adventscalendar always has 24 doors...so why on earth is it celebrated on the 25th by everyone else in the UK ?
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The Hanoverians (Hannoveraner) Six British monarchs, including Queen Victoria and the infamous King George III during the American Revolution, were members of the German House of Hanover: * George I (ruled 1714-1727) * George II (ruled 1727-1760) * George III (ruled 1760-1820) * George IV (ruled 1820-1830) * William IV (ruled 1830-1837) * Victoria (ruled 1837-1901) Before becoming the first British king of the Hanoverian line in 1714, George I (who spoke more German than English) had been the Duke of Brunswick-Lüneberg (der Herzog von Braunschweig-Lüneberg). The first three royal Georges in the House of Hannover (also known as the House of Brunswick, Hanover Line) were also electors and dukes of Brunswick-Lüneberg. Between 1814 and 1837 the British monarch was also the king of Hanover, then a kingdom in what is now Germany. |
28.06.2008, 19:51 quote
Bit off on a tangent but may be of some interest.
I sometimes had German students on clinical placements with me when I worked in the NHS with people who had learning disabilities and they would tell me that they didn't have any people like we were working with back in Germany. The reason being that Hitler's superior race ideals ensured that they didn't survive.
Seemed like a few generations of people with learning disabilities (and may be those with mental illness too) were missing in their modern day history.
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28.06.2008, 20:05 quote
I think alot has changed in more recent times. In 1988 i knew a german adult student here (in his 30s) and he was from East Germany and he told me that at school he had been taught that auschwitz etc. had not existed, that it was British propaganda to discredit germany. I do believe, especially since the fall of the wall, times have changed.
I think bygones should be bygones as much as possible, as Toby rightly points out, our monarchy are practically german, and greek, and.....sadly football hooligan types will ALWAYS find something somewhere to jeer at anybody their team are up against.
28.06.2008, 20:14 quote
I have to admit that I loved that famous Faulty Towers episode, but that is as far as it goes for me.
I think forgetting WWII is out of the question (for both sides), but I think it is a little sad about german people having their cars trashed when they come over here.
When I think of Germany, or their people, I don't automatically think about war, I just think of it as another European country just like France.
I am interested in WWII though, it is something that I will probably never have to go through myself in my lifetime (hopefully).....
And, back on topic..... Royal Family? My interest in them spans to about 66 pence.....
28.06.2008, 23:28 quote
Yes this is all right.
The best royal is Prince Phillip.
He is a real nazi, and he makes me laugh.
I like him.
28.06.2008, 23:29 quote
BTW Germany is good, I love the country and have spent many great times there in various parts of the country.. and I'm coming back soon (in October) wwweeeoeoeoeoeeeoooo
28.06.2008, 23:30 quote
Prince philip certainly doesn't bother to stand on ceremony. He seems about the most down-to-earth, if not relaxed, at least he has the balls to say what he thinks without worrying about what people will think.
28.06.2008, 23:33 quote
| rocketgirl wrote: |
| Prince philip certainly doesn't bother to stand on ceremony. He seems about the most down-to-earth, if not relaxed, at least he has the balls to say what he thinks without worrying about what people will think. |
Exactly. He's great. He doesn't give a shit.
A man after my own heart.
29.06.2008, 06:27 quote
| rocketgirl wrote: |
| I think alot has changed in more recent times. In 1988 i knew a german adult student here (in his 30s) and he was from East Germany and he told me that at school he had been taught that auschwitz etc. had not existed, that it was British propaganda to discredit germany. I do believe, especially since the fall of the wall, times have changed. |
Not that bad - they did not deny it, just in general not cover the subject in too much details and even changed some facts, e.g. they were taught the wall was built to protect them from the other countries...not to lock them in. History lessons concentrated on stuff like Lenin and Marx there.
But I have to ask people who went to school in the DDR...but this could also have varied from teacher to teacher.
Before the fall of the wall, Eastern Germany was called the DDR and was a communist country...it had not much to do with "Germany". Eastern Germany was basically like a big prison and you could not do anything...not talk freely...and everyone was spying on everyone else...if you said something wrong you were sent to prison....so you can not compare the DDR/Eastern Germany to "Germany". "Eastern Germany" as in the "DDR" does not exist anymore - only the people - and the older ones sometimes still pretend it was better then Western Germany and they wish the wall was back (only because they are unemployed though).
UIn Western Germany the history lessons were quite detailed...apart from the 60s when this chapter was not covered in too much detail.
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