I wrote a poem about global warming in 2004.
(When I probably cared more.)

The Debt

A quiet vastness,
No flocks of bird on wing,
No eagle to swoop,
No lark to soar and sing.

A strange barrenness,
No flowers and no fish,
The dragonfly hovers,
But only in a wish.

An eerie stillness,
Where otter, swan and trout fed,
Waterways haunted,
By memories of the dead.

In a sea of silence,
No dolphins sport the waves,
No terns call,
No gulls wheel.
All gone to watery graves.

The last greedy people,
Gulped the poisoned air.
The silent majority,
Rattled out,
A final prayer.

Queasy wheeziness,
And sighs.
The breath catches.
Whatever happened to lions?
Or bandersnatches?

ha yea. some people need to travel and visit places, so they can really get a reality check and re-evaluate their views on life and its concerns, then maybe the fluctuating temperatures of the earth will be the least thing they are concerned about. but hey, we all cant be as altruistic, some of us would rather donate time, effort and money to a cause who's most recent and popular trailblazer happens to be a super rich politician who can easily boast of private aircrafts and whatnots...

AM's last point hits like no other, as it's because of the taxpayer that the UK can boast of its health service, education, etc.. ((be free to scrutinize this, but the basis of its importance is there!!!)) .....and these are not "back in the days" jeggae, some of the protests now are completely ludicrous and useless, a couple days every year to run amok and riot is part of the solution??? why not form a party and create a very responsible constitution that is sensible enough for some of the greater public to abide with??? ...cause all im seeing is 2bit websites with appalling spelling mistakes and kids/adults with no sense of direction causing chaos for a day or two of which in most cases, bares a cognitive dissonance from the individual him/herself, as him/herself is part of what they are fighting against... there are more important issues to be dealing with at this moment in time, these riots is on some ass-backwards shit...

we're in the titanic but lets not kill the crew members when none of us knows how to control a ship, let alone swim.. what we do is appoint a few to represent us and liaison with the captain and his staff, not bust in his cabin and throw rocks at him yellin "iceberg! iceberg!"
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lol i posted before i noticed the poem. beautiful poem indeed!

those/this "few" have already become redundant from the onset of violence (thus costing the rest onboard) as none of them can thus far boast of any skills when it comes to how the ship is controlled.. we all boarded together, we all took part in the decadence of the ship's frivolous amenities, we sailed thus far until the panic sets in upon the immediate sight of the iceberg, therein the other "few" will start a revolution to overthrow the captain, none of which is capable of control.. their actions are then proven to be weak.. so therefore, we must give way to a third party, third party that will meet in 'organized' fashion, we must now wait, some of us will perish but the cry has been heard and the "few" should take a back seat or better yet employ a sensible strategy.. we have not yet seen this strategy.. maybe there are a next few of whom are stalwarts and scholars stuck in private quarters writing up this "strategy" all in a civil nature, but it is yet to be seen and executed ... we are waiting ... ....
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By the way while people slag off the anti-capitalists who took part in the G20 protests if it wasn't for the anti-capitalists then none of the posters on here who are black or asian would be living here as it was anti-capitalist communists and anarchists who defeated the British Union of Facists in the 1930s and the National Front in the 1970s.

hahahaha now ur clutching straws mate, dont just throw some random words out here like "if it wasn't for anit-capitalists, blacks and asian wouldnt be here" ....lol are u serious??? let me hit u with a coupla facts and this wasn't no "anti-capitalist" movement, the reason im typing here right now is because of the fight my forefathers made for "EQUALITY" ...not because of some bullshit "LETS ATTACK THE BANKS"...damn i find it offensive that you would compare the plight that my forefathers led to your hooliganism... ask yourself, "WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?" ....then after go research on Pan-Africanism, LCP (League of Coloured People), West African Student Union, etc, ....these bodies all helped in the reason for me typing this right here, and it wasnt no bullshit "anti-capitalist" movement, they struggled to help fit in "the capitalist" society, not fight against it.... in your research, u will notice that more blacks came to this country with the outbreak of world war 2, lookin for work in the factories and as soldiers and sailors, (my grandad was one) ...speakin of which, im a direct descendant of a group who fought for this country and this group had become redundant as to how they were needed, so they got shipped back home, Freetown (home of the freed slaves), Sierra Leone, where im from.. so like i said, dont just throw words into the thread like ur stupid, ur not! it isnt because of "anti-capitalism" that im living here, its because my forefathers had led respectable organizations and even when it became physical, it was something worth fighting for, it wasnt anti-capitalist, they fought to become PART OF IT!


jeez its early morning now, so my post might be distorted, but u get the point greystone,... word to william wilberforce (a capitalist)

lmao @ u posting that video lol naaah man support ur posts with harden facts lol


edit: haha i see u deleted the video. lol good man
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I would like to ask if those who opposed the protest at G20 are against any kind of protest or just that protest? Just to clarify...

Protest has always been an effective way of making a feeling of discontent known to those in power. I am not sure what would have happened if the peasants revolt had not have happened all those centuries ago, perhaps we would all be slaves now?

I never understood why in this country it is compulsory in this country to fill out a census form yet not compulsory to vote in an election. Surely if it were law to vote politicians might work a bit harder to win our votes? or am i just being naive here?

I think it was Mark Thomas who tried to break the record for the most amount of protests in one day. He had to get permission for them all from the police and I cant remember who many he did or what they were all for, some were just ludicrous. But if you bring in ludicrous laws to try and stop freedom of speech then I dont see why they shouldn't expect people to do ludicrous things like that.

I wouldn't march for climate, but there are things I would march for.

exactly^^^

handsel wrote:

You're right about Wilberforce: a great man. He might have been a capitalist, but didn't he have to fight certain capitalist practices in his day? (To help end the slave trade and set up Sierra Leone.) Did that returning group, you mention above, have footwear or not? Can you believe it? A soldier had to 'mutiny' in the late 1930s to get boots? They were lucky to get back at all, you know that? Once soldiers and sailors 'become redundant as to how they were needed', they haven't always got treated well. It's still happening today and it goes back a long, long way. You know what happened to the soldiers and sailors who defeated the Spanish Armada? They wouldn't pay them and left them to rot in the ships. Some of the captains paid their crews from their own pockets. Yeah, less than 100 dead in the sea-battles and then (later) up to 8000 dead from hunger, dysentery and other causes. That's the thanks they got for their great victory and stopping the Spanish invasion. I'd like to see that in the history books given the same prominence as Elizabeth's Tilbury speech.

like i said.. if u research thoroughly on some of the organizations i listed, u will understand how "Equality" was fought for.. fighting for equality does not constitute being "anti-capitalist" ....we/us/blacks for example fought to be part of it ((damn i hate repeating myself)), west indians, west africans, indians came here to learn and earn, and subsequently become part of the system, we wanted to work IN THE BANKS, become part of the civil service, etc etc not fight against it


lol im done with this thread
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Not entirely sure whether or not to throw my tuppence worth in or not, but here goes...
We do have a tradition of and indeed a right under law in this country to peaceful protest, however, sometimes the peaceful part doesnt get things done so it tends to turn into mass civil disobedience, which is all well and good in my honest opinion as long as nobody gets hurt or property damaged.
Traditionally this has worked for us in this country, where relatively small groups of the popluace have facilitated change for the benefit of all.
However, the G20 protests were in actual fact mainly about climate change, which IS real and is happening faster now than ever.
It just so happens, and this is quite usual, that the protests were hijacked by a small minority of idiots. For instance those arrested in possession of police uniforms in a van with the word 'riot' written down the side at the G20.
I was at the Climate camp last year at kingsnorth, and i can refute the statements about it being just a bunch of hippies and travellers etc. I'm neither, i've always worked and paid my taxes, as have most of the people i met at the camp. Incidentally the climate camp were one of the groups protesting at the G20.

just my thoughts...

Frankly I don't care.

I'm a average human being and sorry to say this but like all people I'm greedy.

I want lots of money and and the fine things in life. I will only recycle if suits me for example we now have boxes outside our house for this.

I enjoy the fine things in life and I am very much fed up of being made to feel guilty by these mob of protesting tossers. It seems according to these morons we can't do anything right! We shouldn't drive our cars to the supermarket, instead struggle home with 16 bags or we shouldn't fly to the Maldives for our hard earned holiday oh even if we don't do all that we are still in the fooking wrong because we used a naughty bank for our savings.

Well I'm saying fook this shit because I work damn hard and worked even harder to get myself where I am today. I will be taking short or long haul flights and I most certainly will be buying a SUV. I am going to do what makes me and my family comfy, not conform to ideals dreamed up by a bunch of silly muppets.

Thank you and good night.
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