"And how much for a gun and a fishing rod?"


Well, they are kind of one-off payments. I;'ve had mine for donkeys years, and even then i think all were second hand.

A bit like expecting you to include the price of your cooker when working out how much your weekly food bill is.
And no I've never poached (to keep on topic) although I seem to remember picking an apple off a tree (without asking) on some farmland when we were asked by the farmer to clear the rabbits (and we got to keep them, so they were free too). But I knew the farmer wouldnt have begrudged it me.

Going back, I think Megalone has got something there, stealing is wrong any which way, its the degrees of understanding, sympathy, leniency that is the grayest area - but I dont think turning a blind eye ever helps at all. Thats basically ignoring the problem that caused the poor desperate person to do what they did and doesnt help them overcome that.

I hate the way the sentencing in the courts does not reflect individual circumstances.

To go off course slightly, as this is not about stealing food for a starving family.......but a thought i had earlier.
I have discussed this with others before, and the replies i get always amaze me.
Sometimes a person will say "Oh no I'd NEVER steal etc" but think nothing of surfing the net at work, taking home the odd pen, bringing personal mail in to be franked....
My last job we were all given a (rather expensive) personal body alarm, portable emergency first aid kit, and a mobile phone.
When I left, my boss told me I was the first person ever to have handed them back before leaving. When I asked him why he thought this was, he said I suppose most people assume its a perk of the job to keep it.
That struck me as odd.
One of my colleagues - a non-smoker - was always moaning about us smokers having a cigarette break (when i was confined to the office) and yet he was often sending email to friends, surfing trivial websites etc. in work time and he thought that was ok.
What do others think about this? Is it not ok to steal food for your starving family, but it is ok to pilfer time and resources from your boss?

Watching some survival shows on TV I have seen that often (including the UK) you don't need anything other than a good knife for survival. All the resources are there to make traps and aid in hunting.

Native Australian people have done this for thousands of years with great success.
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