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28.06.2008, 12:31 quote

Teggro
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I thought they used marijuana for medical purposes anyway? Either way, recreational use - no. Try being a passenger in a car where the driver is high. Yes, nearly crashed. Confused

 

28.06.2008, 12:56 quote

cmiso

I think there are a couple of cannabis derived drugs that are available over here, one spray and one tablet form but not actually smoking it. I know they did have trials on it but not sure of results or if they are still ongoing.

 

28.06.2008, 13:16 quote

moose666

I am for legalising all drugs - it's up to peoples' personal choice what they do with their own body.

 

28.06.2008, 13:17 quote

moose666

Teggro wrote:
I thought they used marijuana for medical purposes anyway? Either way, recreational use - no. Try being a passenger in a car where the driver is high. Yes, nearly crashed. Confused


That's just one driver being an idiot, though. You should no more smoke and drive than you should drink and drive.

 

28.06.2008, 15:03 quote

70

I've seen, and known, too many casualties, nobody thinks that they're gona be the one to be affected adversely.

 

28.06.2008, 15:14 quote

rocketgirl

moose666 wrote:
I am for legalising all drugs - it's up to peoples' personal choice what they do with their own body.


Yeah, i kind of agree with you there, (I smoke, normal ciggies) But, what about the people whose houses/cars etc the drug users steal from to pay for this 'personal choice'. Not all illegal drugs are paid for out of one's own pocket. Sad

 

28.06.2008, 15:21 quote

cmiso

That's quite a change from yesterday. Confused

 

28.06.2008, 15:45 quote

moose666

rocketgirl wrote:
moose666 wrote:
I am for legalising all drugs - it's up to peoples' personal choice what they do with their own body.


Yeah, i kind of agree with you there, (I smoke, normal ciggies) But, what about the people whose houses/cars etc the drug users steal from to pay for this 'personal choice'. Not all illegal drugs are paid for out of one's own pocket. Sad


True, then again not everyone who uses drugs steal to do so. The vast majority of recreational drug users don't.

 

28.06.2008, 15:53 quote

megalone

rocketgirl wrote:
But, what about the people whose houses/cars etc the drug users steal from to pay for this 'personal choice'. Not all illegal drugs are paid for out of one's own pocket. Sad


The problem with drugs being illegal is that the person who sells them himself is a crim.
A majority of the items that get stolen to pay for the drugs end up in the hands of the dealer.

If drugs were legalised, then any drug addict would have to find someone else to fence them to.
I know there will always be someone waiting to buy dodgy items, but it would become so much more hassle.

I think legalising ALL drugs would be a disaster waiting to happen, not because of the ones with self-control, but the ones with very little (or none at all). From what I have seen in the past, the latter is more common here.

I don't think I have ever known anyone to go out robbing car stereos for money to buy pot though being honest.

Getting stoned costs a lot less than getting pissed, in a pub or at the off-licence, so (I reckon) that legalising pot would be responsible for no more crime than alcohol related theft is.

Somebody who is pissed doesn't go out theiving, and the same applies to stoners, they just can't be bothered to go out and do it (and probably would get really paranoid if they did)

 

28.06.2008, 15:59 quote

rocketgirl

CMISO wrote:
That's quite a change from yesterday. Confused



No, it isnt. My personal stance still stands, because my son had no 'personal choice' about what was done to him.
But from a dispassionate point of view, i realise this tragedy could have occurred whether or not said drugs were legal or illegal.
But, as far as "what you do with your own body is your own business" I stand by.
I was going to say "see what i wrote originally" but i'm labelled there as "anonymous" - its a post backalong about having worked with drug addicts.
If it was purely a case of "do whatever you want with your own body" then fine, but, it isnt always is it. Others *do* get affected.
Yes Moose you are quite right, alot of drug users *do* pay for it themselves - I certainly dont steal to get my tobacco either - its when what one does with one's own body affects others - like stealing, or spiking a pepsi for a laugh - then I have a problem with it.
But, again, I am never going to have a definite stance on that, because I have known people who steal alcohol etc which is legal but they dont have their own means to get it (and not necessarily alcohol addicts either) and alcohol causes motor accidents, etc. etc.
I really dont know.
Maybe my stance should be "make it legal, but if you hurt others/steal while choosing what you do with your own body, you should be punished severely"? That would seem fairer, I think? Like anything else, rights come with responsibility, and vice versa.

 

28.06.2008, 17:00 quote

cmiso

rocketgirl wrote:
CMISO wrote:
That's quite a change from yesterday. Confused


No, it isnt.


Sure reads that way, yesterday you said that ALL drugs should be illegal, today you said that you agreed with Moose when he said he was for legalising all drugs.

 

28.06.2008, 17:13 quote

cmiso

As for the rest of it you are right, others will always be affected if it was all drugs, although if it was legal I'd assume the prices would be less and less theft would occur. Maybe.

But it's the families of the harder users who will be more affected, and we would more than likely see an increase in the number of small children suffering and probably more deaths like this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2581139.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7476454.stm

And more problems like this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/5000430.stm

 

28.06.2008, 17:25 quote

rocketgirl

CMISO wrote:
rocketgirl wrote:
CMISO wrote:
That's quite a change from yesterday. Confused


No, it isnt.


Sure reads that way, yesterday you said that ALL drugs should be illegal, today you said that you agreed with Moose when he said he was for legalising all drugs.


No. I was agreeing with Moose that people should (in theory) be allowed to have personal choice about what they do with their own bodies, and what they put into them.....bbbuuuuuttttt....its not as simple as that.
What ever way you read it, you got me wrong.

And I said "from a dispassionate" point of view, I am unsure if legal or illegal makes much difference.
When you are having to consider whether your 15 yrs old child would want to be buried or cremated because he may not live, then when he's 20 yrs old and he cries til your heartbreaks, its difficult to be dispassionate and unbiased, ya know?

 

28.06.2008, 17:27 quote

megalone

There is no acceptable figure when it comes to things like that, even one more case is too many.

I would love to see some sort of trial in this country, just to see how crime figures actually respond to the legalisation of pot.

It is a subject everyone has an opinion on, but can only really guess as to what might happen.

At the moment crime and drugs DO go hand in hand, and legalisation is one step towards splitting the two apart.....

 

28.06.2008, 17:37 quote

cmiso

With pot surely the main issue is with regard to it being even worse than tobacco for health, couple that with the government unlikely to be able to tax it - as if it's legal people will grow their own won't they? - and it doesn't add up for a strong argument to force their hand.

Like you said pot isn't something that greatly contributes to theft statistics. The drug driving issue mentioned above could potentially become a big issue though and I think it's difficult for them to measure how much someone has had as compared to simple tests for alcohol levels.

I can see it being made available for some people who can gain most from it's benefits but not generally available.

 
 
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