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26.03.2009, 22:24 quote

rocketgirl

There are no personal attacks at all Cat.
People are responding to specific people's posts, that's all. Just not agreeing with them. Smile

 

26.03.2009, 22:26 quote

baggiebhoy
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rocketgirl wrote:
Talentless or talented - she got famous simple as, and yes she deserved it cuz opportunity knocked and she grabbed it, good for her.


rocketgirl wrote:
No one said she deserved it, as in a reward for summat earned. It was noted that she simply was in the right place at the right time, opportunity knocked and she grabbed it.


Uh-huh.
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26.03.2009, 22:28 quote

ravencolouredsky
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rocketgirl wrote:
There are no personal attacks at all Cat.
People are responding to specific people's posts, that's all. Just not agreeing with them. Smile


sure, ok.

if you say so.... Rolling Eyes

 

26.03.2009, 22:29 quote

rocketgirl

Ah but I never said she deserved it *because she earned it*.
Re-read what I said if you are unclear on that.
So why is what I wrote a problem?

 

26.03.2009, 22:38 quote

baggiebhoy
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rocketgirl wrote:
Ah but I never said she deserved it *because she earned it*.
Re-read what I said if you are unclear on that.
So why is what I wrote a problem?


So why else would she deserve it?

If she didn't earn it, why should she be entitled to it?



I think I'm going to let the argument rest now as well.
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26.03.2009, 22:42 quote

rocketgirl

baggiebhoy wrote:
rocketgirl wrote:
Ah but I never said she deserved it *because she earned it*.
Re-read what I said if you are unclear on that.
So why is what I wrote a problem?


So why else would she deserve it?

If she didn't earn it, why should she be entitled to it?


I think I'm going to let the argument rest now as well.


Because I see no reason why she shouldn't.

Edit: so this doesn't go round in circles again, I will add that I say this because I don't think a person necessarily has to earn fame by being deserving of it, or have to deserve fame by earning it, whichever way sounds more sense because i have now confused myself! Laughing

 

26.03.2009, 22:42 quote

kikikiki

I can see where Raven is coming from and although I don't agree, I see her point and it is a fair one.
In conclusion. If I had a son/daughter and they wanted to be famous, personally I would prefer it to be for their talent and not Big Brother (and getting all her clothes off). But in the end I would be happy that my daughter/son had fulfilled their wish, as I would anyone really. Hope that makes sense.

 

27.03.2009, 02:00 quote

zacktelstar
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Here's some music...from the last millenium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miYJeS6P2Do

James - Destiny Calling

Don't believe the adverts
Don't believe the experts
Everyone will sell our souls

Get a little wiser
Get a little humble
Now we know that we don't know

Tell us when our time's up
Show us how to die well
Show us how to let it all go

Here we come
this is our destiny calling we're freaks
This is our destiny calling, Unique
This is our destiny calling now


And here's a song charged with beauty, preformed in a small club somewhere. It has no lyrics, just a title:

The Only Moment We Were Alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtW67TCAn0E



...

 

27.03.2009, 08:10 quote

kikikiki

I can see the connection with the first song but what does the 2nd song have to do with Jade Goody? Brilliant tune though.

 

27.03.2009, 09:41 quote

jeggae
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I think its good to see a meaty argument on here for a change, rather then all the back slapping, popularity 'don't upset my mate' threads. These sort of discussions reveals the real people inside.

Personally I think its a subject where no one is really factually wrong, but its all about opinions.

 

27.03.2009, 10:07 quote

sc0ttie

Since this topic did veer off onto the topic of celebrity and media, I went to buy a pint of milk from the newsagents and had to queue up to pay. Front page of the sun today John Terry's mum arrested for shoplifting! Laughing

Not sure why that is front page news, but made me laugh, who hell wants to know about that? reminds me of the reason I have not bought a newspaper for about 2 or 3 years now, they are a complete load of wank Laughing

 

27.03.2009, 10:21 quote

jeggae
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sc0ttie wrote:
Since this topic did veer off onto the topic of celebrity and media, I went to buy a pint of milk from the newsagents and had to queue up to pay. Front page of the sun today John Terry's mum arrested for shoplifting! Laughing

Not sure why that is front page news, but made me laugh, who hell wants to know about that? reminds me of the reason I have not bought a newspaper for about 2 or 3 years now, they are a complete load of wank Laughing


Agreed scotty, but the reason they put it on the front page is because it will probably sell a few more copies, by people who like reading about these things. Wonder if its people that watch all the soap operas?
Which I suppose is relevant to this discussion.

 

27.03.2009, 10:36 quote

darkhorse57

I think that the possible irony of this thread, especially with regard to the ‘celebrity’ aspect, is that the overwhelming majority of Flirtbox members from outside the UK who are reading this thread will probably have absolutely no idea who Jade Goody is.

 

27.03.2009, 11:29 quote

sc0ttie

jeggae wrote:
sc0ttie wrote:
Since this topic did veer off onto the topic of celebrity and media, I went to buy a pint of milk from the newsagents and had to queue up to pay. Front page of the sun today John Terry's mum arrested for shoplifting! Laughing

Not sure why that is front page news, but made me laugh, who hell wants to know about that? reminds me of the reason I have not bought a newspaper for about 2 or 3 years now, they are a complete load of wank Laughing


Agreed scotty, but the reason they put it on the front page is because it will probably sell a few more copies, by people who like reading about these things. Wonder if its people that watch all the soap operas?
Which I suppose is relevant to this discussion.


Whilst everyone is entitled to read what they like I do think if anybody buys tabloid newspapers and gossip mags such as Heat, Hello! OK and all that stuff, they cant really whinge about celebrities lacking talent because all of those publications actively promote every kind of celebrity and encourage it by printing the photos and stories about them.
I don't really like the idea of celebrity anyway, and never really understood why people go autograph hunting or try to hang out in celebrity night spots, they are just other people. The only autograph I ever got is a signed copy of Cynthia Payne's autobiography, but we wont go into that! Laughing

 

27.03.2009, 12:18 quote

kikikiki

jeggae wrote:

Personally I think its a subject where no one is really factually wrong, but its all about opinions.


great post jeggae

 
 
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