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Home >> Anything else >> Drugs Are Baaadd!! Or Are They - Relate Your Experiences!!
21.07.2007, 10:01 quote
I can't help but feel that a lot of the 'issues' around drugs are actually the same issues of self control and personal responsibility that are there for any substance. Taking the 'worst' drug as an example:
There was a documentary filmed many years ago that followed a number of middle-aged long-term (22 years) heroin users, they were all in 'Professional' jobs Stockbrokers/Lawyers etc. and were perfectly respectable members of their communities. It was never shown because it ran completely contrary to the Government's 'Heroin will kill you instantly' drugs policy.
It's possible to take heroin without becoming a homeless spotty junkie strung out on the street, just like it's possible to drink alcohol without ending up a wino. There are many heroin users who lead very normal lives, the difficulties arise in moments of depression and weakness. Where somebody else might hit the bottle or chain smoke, they up their intake, and suddenly a carefully managed habit isn't manageable any more.
It's true that it is more difficult to pull out of a junk downward spiral than an alcohol one, partly because of the more severe physical withdrawal symptoms, and partly because of the stigma of having got yourself into that state in the first place. However, having a drug habit of any kind does not make it OK to thieve/lie/cheat/hurt others. As an individual you are still responsible for your actions.
It annoys me that a lot of fatalities occur when alcohol and drugs are mixed, yet always get reported as drug deaths. It's as if the alcohol didn't play a BIG part in what happened, you really do want your wits about you if you're cooking up...
Yes, drugs are dangerous when misused, as are cars, garden machinery, kitchen knives, alcoholic drinks, cigarettes and in fact almost anything, but as an individual you still have control over your personal ethics.
I have to say that of the early deaths I've known of personally, if it hadn't been drugs it would have been alcohol. All the individuals in question did was 'choose their weapon'.
<rant ends>
21.07.2007, 10:40 quote
dude I'm sorry but your perpetuating the myth here that you otherwise seem to be admitting to - Alcohol IS a drug and should NOT be talked about as if it isn't!
Alcohol is THE most destructive drug by a very large margin indeed!
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21.07.2007, 11:02 quote
Absolutely. General availability sees to that, plus ease of administration. If heroin was available in a pleasant tasting liquid you could buy from shops across the country, I suspect it would overtake alcohol quite quickly....
I don't think I've said anything that contradicts the 'alcohol is a drug argument'?
21.07.2007, 11:38 quote
| mmarkkdd wrote: |
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It annoys me that a lot of fatalities occur when alcohol and drugs are mixed, yet always get reported as drug deaths. It's as if the alcohol didn't play a BIG part in what happened, you really do want your wits about you if you're cooking up... |
I'm not saying that you were classifying them differently deliberately mark I don't think you were. And I agree with the points your making.
But when discussing stuff like this its important to be as correct and accurate in usage of vocabulary as possible. If people realise that they are every bit a part of this country's drug culture because they drink alcohol as someone who shoots up or likes am occasional spliff, they might take more interest in the subject as a whole rather than thinking its someone else's problem.
Forgive me for being so pedantic
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21.07.2007, 11:58 quote
No worries
I was just concerned that I'd sent out the wrong message somewhere, absolutely there's no difference between drinking alcohol and taking another form of mind-altering substance.
There's nothing worse than a p**shead lecturing on the evils of drugs...
21.07.2007, 14:30 quote
| Krian wrote: | ||||
Sorry, gotta disagree with that, first off the cause of schizophrenia is still not known:
The link between cannabis use and schizophrenia was due to a german study. After using a selection basis of 232 peeps, which most scientist types can tell you is waaay too small a sample to get an accurate figure, they established through retrospective interview that 13 percent of the sample had used cannabis, from this they deduced that they fell into three groups, group 1 had seriously abused cannabis for several years before the onset of schiziophrenia, group 2 had tried canabis in the same month as developing schiziophrenia and group 3 had started using it after developing schiziophrenia. On this basis the press have decided that smoking weed = becoming a schiziophrenic. Additionally, look at places like Amsterdam, they actually have a lower ratio of severe mental disorders per person than most of europe. Finally cocaine and amphetamines like speed also increase the amount of dopamine in your system (Well, cocaine is actually a dopamine blocker, so it causes any natural highs to last longer. But essentially a similar effect.) However you dont here people going on about them becoming paranoid schizophrenics due to just one try, do ya? Was kinda keeping outta this thread, but to cut a long story short my mum suffers really bad arthritis, and cannabis really helps her. I wouldnt provide her with anything without making sure its not really bad first, and I personally cant wait until they legalise the use of medicinal cannabis so I can get it for her from boots rather than from some shady dealer. Its like anything peeps, fine in moderation, bad in excess. Drink too much coffee and it'll kill ya, we all know what too much alcohol does, hell eat too many carrots and it can hurt ya. Meh, rant over. |
skizophrenia is an abnormal level of dopermine, dopermine is a chemical in the brain that causes creativity and drive, now to much dopermine is to much creativity causing you to get creative without meaning to, I.E. halozanate(yes i cant spell). canabis works by tapping into dopermine and releasing it which gives you the high, but the effect can sometimes be perminant.
a doctor explained it to me like this
there is 2 fields in your brain, 1 is dream land, 1 is the real world. when you are asleep the gates between the 2 fields are closed and you are just in the dream world, and the oposite for when you are awake, but with a skizoophrenics mind the gate is jamed, it can never be closed which alows you to experience dream like situations while your awake, same as canabis
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21.07.2007, 14:54 quote
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skizophrenia is an abnormal level of dopermine, dopermine is a chemical in the brain that causes creativity and drive, now to much dopermine is to much creativity causing you to get creative without meaning to, I.E. halozanate(yes i cant spell). canabis works by tapping into dopermine and releasing it which gives you the high, but the effect can sometimes be perminant. a doctor explained it to me like this there is 2 fields in your brain, 1 is dream land, 1 is the real world. when you are asleep the gates between the 2 fields are closed and you are just in the dream world, and the oposite for when you are awake, but with a skizoophrenics mind the gate is jamed, it can never be closed which alows you to experience dream like situations while your awake, same as canabis |
Meh, here ya go, technical stuff:
| Scientist types wrote: |
| One of the most famous and most debatable is the dopamine hypothesis. The proposed hypothesis states that the brain of schizophrenic patients produces more dopamine than normal brains. It is this increased dopamine that is believed to be responsible for the symptoms of the disease. However, the is much debate in the scientific community as to the exact mechanism by which altered dopamine levels, especially in the prefrontal cortex, striatum, and limbic system, produce schizophrenia. Researchers were able to determine relative levels of dopamine receptors in patients with schizophrenia compared to non-schizophrenics. Overall analysis of dopamine receptors in the brain indicate that the striatum, limbic system, and the cortex have more receptors than the rest of the brain, regardless of pathology. (6) Examination of the striatum (involved in production of emotions) does not show a difference in levels of any of the dopamine receptors in schizophrenic patients |
So in short, a major source of Schizophrenia is increased dopamine receptors, not increased levels of dopamine per se.
Yes, cannabis temporarially increases dopamine levels, and this can lead to a schizophrenic episode, but only if your pre-disposed to it anyway. Just the same as if your allergic to nuts and you have a reaction to a snickers bar, it doesnt make the snickers bar bad per se, just means that person shouldnt be eating it.
21.07.2007, 14:59 quote
Plus, just wanted to say:
I'm not saying cannabis is good, but im also not saying its bad, its entirely dependant upon your situation.
Any drugs, and i include alcohol, nicotine, sugar, chocolate and caffiene in this, are bad if they are misused. But I also hate it when people jump on a particular band wagon without knowing the full details.
Ok, you had a really really bad experience, and im sorry for that, but as I said, it helps out my mum a lot. And when I was younger I suffered from severe depression, mild use of cannabis considerably helped me with that. Now I dont use it - but if i ever became severely depressed I almost certainly would, everything else I tried either didnt help or made things worse (prozac can give you extremely bad panic attacks hence i stopped using it pretty damn quickly.)
Meh.
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