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Home >> Anything else >> Are beliefs worth dying for?
20.04.2008, 19:22 quote
| shirazkhan wrote: |
| Debate away - the difference between debating and arguing is that arguing is a byproduct of passion. Debating is logical. |
Ok, just remember you asked for it.......
Aximander and Moose had a 'disagreement' over the holocaust right?
Moose suggested that the history books are always written by the victors of any war.
I don't think that amounts to being a holocaust denier at all, in fact what he said was true to a certain extent.
It is such an interesting subject, which is why I suggested starting a topic dedicated to just that, where everyone could debate the issue (in hopefully a calm manner).
I too believe that Adolf Hitler was in some ways a very clever man, totally insane mind you, but still a very capable man also.
I don't in any way agree with most of his methods, but then, who would.....
20.04.2008, 19:31 quote
Just to add, if you would like that debate Megz then can you please have it in one of the forums you can mod please???? 
Having been here a long time a thread like that has the potential to turn really nasty and I for one dont want anything to do with it.
20.04.2008, 19:36 quote
It depends on the person and how important their beliefs are to them personally, doesn't it? There is no right or wrong blanket response.
20.04.2008, 19:39 quote
| megalone wrote: |
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Aximander and Moose had a 'disagreement' over the holocaust right? |
Eh, hold a sec Megs, no we didn't. We haven't even had a discussion about the holocaust let alone a disagreement about it.
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| Moose suggested that the history books are always written by the victors of any war. |
I did say that, but I wasn't talking about the holocaust. I just meant history in general.
20.04.2008, 19:41 quote
Personally, I cannot think of a belief I would die for. Even if it was universally accepted that it was 100% accurate, I do not believe it to be worth ceasing my existence for.
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20.04.2008, 19:51 quote
| Cazzabee wrote: |
| Just to add, if you would like that debate Megz then can you please have it in one of the forums you can mod please???? Having been here a long time a thread like that has the potential to turn really nasty and I for one dont want anything to do with it. |
Okey Dokey, any suggestions where to put it?
It's either the Fun & Games section, or shall I just chuck it in with the boobies thread?
Point taken , but it is something worth debating though.......
20.04.2008, 19:55 quote
| megalone wrote: |
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Point taken , but it is something worth debating though....... |
Things like that are worth debating if people can stick to civilized debate rather than insults, name calling and snide comments. However in my experience the lefties and liberals can't debate anything without descending into this, I.E. "I have no decent answer, let's call him a name and pretend that means we win."
I doubt it'd be any different on here.
20.04.2008, 20:00 quote
| shirazkhan wrote: |
| the words in CAPS are bloody important....
Old man Megs hit the nail partially on the head so to speak. Since an example would be helpful here goes. Say you said something here, a otherwise strongly opinionated statement, and someone took offence in it. Now this person went to great lengths to pick apart your entire argument and show you the flaws in it. IN ALL HONESTY, and knowing yourself, would you retract your statement? or would you try to disprove the person. Dying is an extreme example, so this is a much more "realistic" example. Anecdotes about doing the right thing and so on are welcome. It shows us something about life. again the words in CAPS are bloody important, no exceptions. |
If i believed i was right, i wouldn't retract the statement - i'd be open to be being corrected on it, but i wouldn't retract it. I have very few beliefs, Fate being the easiest to point out.
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20.04.2008, 20:01 quote
| moose666 wrote: |
| It depends on the person and how important their beliefs are to them personally, doesn't it? There is no right or wrong blanket response. |
not quite - the subject of the topic is open publically for a personal viewpoint - agreed there are no blanket response - i was merely giving the members of the forum a platform to state thier response to it on a personal level
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20.04.2008, 20:08 quote
| shirazkhan wrote: | ||
not quite - the subject of the topic is open publically for a personal viewpoint - agreed there are no blanket response - i was merely giving the members of the forum a platform to state thier response to it on a personal level D'yaknowwhaahmean? |
Yeah....
Personally I'm not too sure. I do have certain beliefs that I consider very important and they are beliefs that I've developed over the course of my life so far, and have come from my experiences, observations and learning.
I used to be involved in party politics until I realised that political parties are like gangs of kids who bicker and backstab among themselves. Since the reality of this hit me, it's dawned on me that party politics are not the way to go and all the individual can really do is try to live by their own personal beliefs, and to live their own life as best they can.
I'll happily debate things and not back down, after all I am convinced that what I believe is right, and no one has ever been able to prove me wrong. But to die for them..? I dunno.. I used to think so, but these days I'm not so sure.
20.04.2008, 20:14 quote
| moose666 wrote: |
| all the individual can really do is try to live by their own personal beliefs, and to live their own life as best they can.
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Well said moose, i completely agree with you there.
Each to their own is pretty much the rule i live by, if i believe in something i don't expect other people to follow my ways of doing things and i only ask that they return the favour.
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20.04.2008, 20:16 quote
Actually, I've just realised that whether I'd die for my beliefs or not would depend on specific circumstances that I can't really explain.. If certain situations were to arise and no other way was possible, I would die for them. But those specific circumstances are not very likely, at least not as far as I can see.
20.04.2008, 21:00 quote
| Cazzabee wrote: |
| Just to add, if you would like that debate Megz then can you please have it in one of the forums you can mod please???? Having been here a long time a thread like that has the potential to turn really nasty and I for one dont want anything to do with it. |
cazz, whats the prob, ...so far it is a good thread not out of control in any way, ...for fuck sakes leave some decent threads on here i actually am interested in please
20.04.2008, 21:06 quote
To Moose, ..id like to ask you a question and please believe that im not judging you in any way, ... im just wondering if the Nazi stuff in your sig is actually a serious statement ?
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