well? are they?

you can believe in something. Tangible of course - not like "doing the right thing" - which is a massive grey area.

do you think you would sacrifice your life for them or sacrifice your belief for the safety of your life.

Nope, ..a family member or a loved one most certainly but nor for a belief.

This is tricky. You are saying something tangible but i'm struggling to think of an example! Can you give us one? x


However I believe in self-preservation so my belief should hopefully save my life

Die for your belief?
Like when a Jehovah's Witness needs a blood transfusion and dies cos they refuse it?
Or a suicide bomber?

I can't say that I would honour such things myself, but it is hard to tell as I don't have any such feelings.

I have quite a strong sense of right or wrong, and use that to live by, and having that sort of guide, that question will rarely (if ever) come up.

Like Shiftygeezer just said, for a family member or someone I cared about, in a second, but for religion, not a chance....

the words in CAPS are bloody important....

Old man Megs hit the nail partially on the head so to speak.

Since an example would be helpful here goes.

Say you said something here, a otherwise strongly opinionated statement, and someone took offence in it.
Now this person went to great lengths to pick apart your entire argument and show you the flaws in it.

IN ALL HONESTY, and knowing yourself, would you retract your statement? or would you try to disprove the person.

Dying is an extreme example, so this is a much more "realistic" example.

Anecdotes about doing the right thing and so on are welcome. It shows us something about life.

again the words in CAPS are bloody important, no exceptions.

In the case of on here, I would retract my statement. I don't like causing arguments or friction and it just isn't worth it.
So on a micro scale, yeah I would. But it's impossible to say on a life or death scale!? x

It’s the belief thing im unclear about. I’m a bit of a history fanatic and from that ive learned from that is that millions have died from things as stupid as religious differences. ...........id die for another vodka right now though, ...think i'll go and get one

If I said something on here and I truly beleived what I had said, I would never retract what I had said.

Unless of course, it was proven to me that my way of thinking is flawed.
I am always open to suggestions about anything I know/believe in, but since most things I believe in are rather definate/scientific, there aint really much room for adjustment is there.....

"The shortest distance between any two points is a straight line, what c**t thought that up?" ~{Ricky Gervais}

With religion, there is so much room for negotiation, it is hard to know where to start, it is a bit like saying which came first, the chicken or the egg.
Everyone will have an opinion, and no-one will have the answer.....

Beliefs are anything - People run off to quote religion whenever Belief comes into play because it's an easy association to make.

You could believe in anything. Most people have a delusion that they are right in some way about some topic - that's belief too. Nations have beliefs that they had the right to usurp land - Wars are fought with belief - soldiers die, civilians die, lives are destroyed - all because someone thought they were in the right.

Milosevic, Mugabe, Bush, Mussolini, Hitler....the list goes on.

I never considered myself weak but i know without a doubt i'd retract my statement rather than cause an argument!? IS that weak? x

There are so many levels to this that it is hard to answer. I believe in fair play and honesty, but are they worth dying for? probably not. If you start to talk about everything you hold dear, which ultimately you believe in, then my answer is yes. If your whole way of life is under threat then your beliefs are under threat and that is something that you have to fight for and risk paying the ultimate price.

There are thousands of people serving our country right now that are fighting for what they believe in and some are paying with their lives. Some people may question what they are fighting for in some cases but that is another debate. I think they are fighting for us as well as others less fortunate, if they didn't believe in that then they wouldn't be risking their lives.

So yes for the strongest of beliefs